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Essssssssat - let's use an "anal"ogy that you can relate to : death from HIV. Is it the cancer or other diesase that killed the patient, or the pail shots he took in the first place? High risk behavior begets predictable results. I only need to know one thing about aids - don't take a pail shot. Same about deep air - don't do it. EE Atikkan wrote: > > It is disturbing to see that the antagonism for 'deep air' has led to > listing accidents without a clear cut understanding of the contributory > factors. > > Furthermore, this his has been done without a clear definition of > 'Deep', or the depth mediated 'causal effect' that contributed to the > demise. Which negative effect of air at depth are we concrened about? > > Ox tox - regarded as a primary contributor. > Narcosis - an impairing factor that becomes an issue when 'things go > wrong'. That brings about the question would the victim have survived > if they were not on air, thus less narked. > Other physiological factors - remain relatively undefined. > > In an analysis, accident or whatever, parameters must be defined & > causal as well as contibutory factors must be identified. > > I questioned the validity of including dives in the 140-160 range in > the 'deep air deaths' list. > > I still do & will continue to do so. > > Was it narcosis? > Was it ox tox? > Were there other medical, physical, mental, psychological factors > involved? > > It is well etablished that using depth as the osole criterion is > inadequate. Many a shallow dive can be significantly more complex than > deeper ones. I am sure the cave diving community is well aware of > that. Most wreck diver are, as are ice divers. > > Until supplemental details of accidents ascribed to deep air are > provided, the arguments against deep air, in particular in the 140-160 > range, will ring hollow. > > Many dives take place in the 140-160, even 170 range. The NAtl wreck > diving community dives it routinely. In Europe 165 has been the limit > for recreational diving. All on air. Do accidents occur? Yes. Was > air @ that the contributory factor? Possibly. Could other factors > have been causal? Most definitely. > > Also having 1st hand info with one of those accidents ascribed to deep > air I can tell U that: > > Ed Suarez was not on air - it is thought that he toxed because he > switched to the wrong mix or that his mix was unsuiatable. > > Esat Atikkan > > -- > Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. > Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'. -- Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'.
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