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From: "Paltz, Art" <Art.Paltz@R2*.CO*>
To: gmirvine@sa*.ne*, techdiver@aquanaut.com, cavers@ge*.co*
Subject: RE: FARM ANIMAL STUPIDITY FROM THE TDI WEBB PAGE
Date: Mon, 6 Oct 1997 11:55:45 -0400
Boy George, the following seems to be there so maybe they can weasel out
of a lawsuit.

	A.	Upon successful completion of this course, graduates may
engage in technical extended range diving activities without direct
supervision so long as:
		1.	The diving activities approximate those of
training
		2.	The area of activities approximate those of
training
		3.	Environmental conditions approximate those of
training

How approximate is approximate?  Seems to be a gray area to me!  If you
do the training in a quarry, does this mean you can't dive deep air in
the open ocean because it doesn't approximate those of training??  What
about if during the training the temp was 65 degrees, does this mean I
can't do it in 50 degree water?  What's approximate?  Makes me want to
take that course,  NOT!  Seems that part was written for the lawyers!!

Safe diving,
Art.
art.paltz@r2*.co*
Last Dive 10/4/97, The Stolt, NJ, 125ft/40 min bottom time, 57 degrees
F, 28% bottom mix, 50% deco mix


	-----Original Message-----
	From:	G. Irvine 
	Sent:	Monday, October 06, 1997 5:48 AM
	To:	techdiver@aquanaut.com; cavers@ge*.co*
	Subject:	FARM ANIMAL STUPIDITY FROM THE TDI WEBB PAGE

	HERE WE HAVE AN EXAMPLE OF SERIOUSLY DEFICIENT FARM ANIMAL
STUPIDTY 
	from the TDI webb page - this is their "Extended Range" course.
These
	guys are so stupid as to be just plain dangerous. Notice the
fist line
	where they can make you "competent" on deep air. Whoever wrote
this is
	beyond farm animal stupid, and a dangerous stroke, but then that
does
	not narrow the field much at TDI, and the track record proves
that.


	Read on:

	.. INTRODUCTION

	      This course provides training and experience required to
	competently utilize air for dives
	      up to 218 fsw / 66.4 msw that require staged
decompression,
	utilizing nitrox mixtures or
	      oxygen during decompression. This course was formerly
called
	Technical Deep Air.

	 II. COURSE OBJECTIVES

	      The objective of this course is to train divers in the
proper
	techniques, equipment
	      requirements, and hazards of deep air diving to a maximum
of 218
	fsw / 66.4 msw and
	      utilizing nitrox mixtures or oxygen for staged
decompression.

	 III. QUALIFICATIONS OF GRADUATES

	      A. Upon successful completion of this course, graduates
may engage
	in technical
	      extended range diving activities without direct
supervision so
	long as:
	         1. The diving activities approximate those of training
	         2. The area of activities approximate those of training
	         3. Environmental conditions approximate those of
training
	      B. Upon successful completion of this course, graduates
are
	qualified to enroll in:
	         1. TDI Advanced Wreck Course
	         2. TDI Trimix Gas Course
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