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Date: Sat, 04 Oct 1997 09:19:36 -0400
From: "G. Irvine" <gmirvine@sa*.ne*>
Organization: Woodville Karst Plain Project
To: OSTDIVE@ao*.co*
CC: ken@co*.ci*.uf*.ed*, cavers@ge*.co*, techdiver@aquanaut.com
Subject: Bottom Line was Re: add these to the deep air dead list, and send to the Slob
Ostdive, how deep were they on air when it happened? "Advanced
stupidity", as you call it, usually occurs on the surface prior to the
dive.ADVANCED STUPIDITY WOULD BE TAKING A DEEP AIR COURSE. My bet is
advanced stupidty on the surface and a violation of rule number one
without even knowing what you are talking about, and my bet is that
there was a narcotic mix involved . Show me the mix and depth of the
dead diver and prove me wrong. 

Also, when trying to spin a story, use your real name, and tell us what
level TDI instructor you are, and whether you hold your insurance
throuth TDI or IANTD ( I already know it is not IANTD). 

Also explain to me why you so called instructors are such idiots that
you can not get a diver up and recussitate him from a meager 130-150
feet? Whoever was in on this needs a suing, and needs the expert witness
staff of the WKPP to put it to rest.

You guys can lie your asses off, but just give me one shot at you in
court, and we will put this to a finish. All I need is one person to
sue, and I have you idiots where you need to be - out of business.

If an "instructor" can not get a diver up from 130, 150, 180, or even
220, he is a negligent stroke. I saw JJ snatch one from 400 feet into a
cave and start him up on the surface. We have a guy down here pull his
girfriend from 210 to the surface and revive her, and he is not even an
isntructor.

Whoever let this guy die is a negligent criminal, and needs to be sued
and needs to be put out of business , along with his agency. We have the
address of his wife, and I am going to not only suggest that to her, but
provide every bit of assistance I can. 

Now how smart does the fat slob look to you now? Maybe it is time for
you "insructors" to shut this fat piece of shit up before I put all of
you out of business.

It is very, very, very obvious that the slob has warned all of you to
shut up, but it is way too late - the slob is who needs to be "muzzled",
by you , but at this point I would suggest giving Tom Mount a call -
this ship is going down hard.

You should all recognize the pattern here from previous accidents , like
Palmer - first we get the real story, and then we get the "slobbed"
version later. If we don't get you this time, there will be plenty of
more chances - deep air is very predictable.

OSTDIVE@ao*.co* wrote:
> 
> Ken , I'd be happy to. We unfortunately have had a couple of "accidents" here
> lately,in the past two weeks. One was a fatality in a quarry in central
> Virginia. Neither of these incidents involved deep air, but they did involve
> some advanced stupidity. As soon as I can get verifiable facts I will forward
> them to you . They may provide some much needed illumination. I personally
> know the diver who performed the attempted rescue on the quarry death so I
> should be able to gather some accurate information
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