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Date: Fri, 05 Sep 1997 05:59:49 -0400
From: "G. Irvine" <gmirvine@sa*.ne*>
Organization: Woodville Karst Plain Project
To: Ted Green <scuba@md*.co*>
CC: "techdiver@aquanaut.com" <techdiver@aquanaut.com>,
     Jim Cobb
Subject: Re: Need For REAL Training Agency
Ted, mpore experience is great, and I believe they should pay to dive
with an instrucotr - I did when I was learning. However, for mix and
such, these things should be done as classroom, and the harder dives
only done if the person already knows how to dive proficiently - you
will not teach them that so quickly. Most of the problems that have
developed have been unqualified divers being over their heads, and the
only way to get by this one is to dive a lot.



Ted Green wrote:
> 
>        Jim,
>          How many dive classes have you taken where the money wasn't
> collected up front? All the money is taken before class starts.
> There is no incentive to certify people who don't make the grade. In
> fact, I save about $15 on every student I don't pass because I don't
> have to buy them a c-card!
>        In my opinion, 3 or 4 courses from the "100' no-stop diver" to a
> Trimix diver seems to work pretty well. This allows / forces the
> student to get experience in what he has learned before he builds on
> it.
> 
>               Ted
> > From:          Jim Cobb <cobber@mi*.co*>
> 
> > Ted Green wrote:
> >
> > >        Jim,
> > >          As an expert, why don't you explain why you wouldn't teach
> > >"gas management" and "self rescue" until your in a trimix class. Are
> > >you trying to say that gas management isn't important on a
> > >decompression air dive?
> >
> > OK, Mr. Super Expert, I fucked up my post and left that out of level 1. I
> > guess I fail class management. My, but you are in a tizzy! You wouldn't
> > be a dive instructor, would you???
> >
> > >     I can already hear you wine, when you fail the class because the
> > >two other people in the class were better than you and you were the
> > >bottom 30% of the class that was supposed to fail.
> >
> > Wouldn't bother me a bit. Would not bother me to canned from a skydiver
> > class or a mountain climbing class. But it's good to know that if I got
> > canned, I could just go to you and hand you some cash.
> >
> >  I realize that in your world that, as long as you got the cash in your
> > pocket, you would certify a cactus to dive, I would rather be canned then
> > sent out to kill myself. How many death sentences have YOU handed out Mr.
> > Super Dive Instructor Expert, sir?
> >
> > >     Of course it's more likely George Irvine will kiss Tom Mount's ass,
> > >than you will get off  $1,000 for a course!
> > >     Tell me mister expert, how many more divers would die each year
> > >because they were to cheap to take the $1,000 course and figured they
> > >would learn how to do it from a video and a bunch of "techdiver
> > >posts"?
> > >                Ted
> >
> > The same number who take the home skydiving course and the home
> > whitewater kayaking course. Don't hear those people whining, do you?
> >
> >    Jim
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> >
> >
> Ted Green (owner)
> Tidewater Aquatics (Dive Store)
> Salisbury Maryland USA
> TDI IT #029
> SSI MI #178
> 
> The world contains but three types of people:
>             1. Those who make things happen.
>             2. Those who watch things happen.
>             3. Those who wonder what happened.
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