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Peter, I agree 100% with the fact that deep air is dumb. I also agree 100% with the pO2 limit of 1.6. What I was upset by, was the constant attitude of George. I support his fight against deep air, but belittling and cussing at people and telling them to go fuck them selves does not help his case. Instead of an intelligent argument, he sounds like a raving lunatic. Rob > -----Original Message----- > From: Peter Heseltine [SMTP:heseltin@hs*.us*.ed*] > Sent: Sunday, August 31, 1997 10:09 PM > To: Calkins, Rob > Cc: 'gmirvine@sa*.ne*'; techdiver@aquanaut.com > Subject: RE: (no subject) > > I agree with George. Yes, I said that. > > About two years ago, I made my debut on this list because I read > something > that Brett Gilliam wrote stating that diving the Atlantis to pO2's of > 1.8 > was OK and that a sport diver would never stay down long enough for > their > CNS "clock" to max out. I spoke out against it, wrote to him, this > list and > to others (even to Drager) and was told I was a newbie, didn't know > what I > was talking about, was a stupid fuck and other pleasantries. George > was one > of the few who spoke out at that time, publicly and forcefully, > against > deep air diving. And this was before several of the "brightest and the > best", let alone other "lesser knowns", died doing it. > > Today, I know a good deal more about O2 toxicity than I did then (much > of > it shared with this list), but nothing has changed my mind about deep > air > diving. Diving to pO2's greater than 1.6 is a crap shoot. The risk at > a pO2 > of 2.0 is greater than that at 1.6, but the magnitude of the risk in > the > range 1.6 to 1.9 is NOT PREDICTABLE. And Murphy rules. "Do you feel > lucky > today?" > > George's "attitude" is appropriate. Every time one of the "brightest > and > the best" survives a deep air escapade/exposure, a less experienced, > impressionable diver says "Well, maybe I'll try that - it looks > macho". And > some of them die. Not just the role model, but you, me, my buddy. This > is > not pushing the Goddamn envelope. Dive with the right training, the > right > equipment and the RIGHT GAS and you may push the envelope. Diving > "deep > air" is like jumping off the garage roof to fly: stupid enough when > you're > seven, fucking brilliant when your twenty-five - NOT! > > So listen up. I'll say it again and again (and so will Geo): > > Dive deeper than 200fsw on air and you run a significant risk of acute > O2 > toxicity - seizure and certain death. What's more, diving deeper than > 130fsw on air WILL impair your judgement and EVERYONE is narced at > 180fsw. > Some will make a fatal mistake due to narcosis at even shallower > depths. If > you dive air deep, you not only risk your own life, but the stats show > that > you are likely to kill or bend your buddy who will try to rescue you. > So > put this on your license plate: > > "DUMBASS DIVERS DO IT DEEP ON AIR" > > At 09:06 AM 8/31/97 -0600, Calkins, Rob wrote: > >George, you forgot to post this one to the group! > > > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: G. Irvine [SMTP:gmirvine@sa*.ne*] > >> Sent: Sunday, August 31, 1997 4:55 AM > >> To: Calkins, Rob > >> Subject: (no subject) > >> > >> Rob, those guys are dead due to being dumbasses - I will > >> not let up on that until this until deep air is considered stupid > >> instead of a measure of ability. If you do not like that, then I > >> sgggest > >> you go fuck yourself - how's that for attitude? I am not interested > in > >> being nice about this, and the number of deaths supports my > "attitude" > >> - > >> again - go fuck yuourself. Just once I would like to see one of you > >> idiots try to argue a point with me - you can't , because if you > >> could, > >> you'd agree with me in the first place, dumbfuck, and we would not > be > >> disscussing "atitudes". > >-- > >Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to > `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. > >Send list subscription requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'. > > > > > **************************************************************** > * Peter N.R. Heseltine, MD, FACP LAC+USC Medical Center * > * Professor of Medicine 1200 N State St. Box 596 * > * University of Southern Calif Los Angeles, CA 90033 * > * Tel: 213 226-6705 USA * > * Fax: 213 226-2479 E-mail: heseltin@hs*.us*.ed* * > **************************************************************** -- Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. Send list subscription requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'.
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