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Enough of the bullshit - we do not dive "Hogarthian" we "Do IT Right", and while the original basics come from Gavin, and are named after Main, one big giant difference is that Bill Gavin would put up with idiots and nonsense, I do not, and neither does anyone else who matters at WKPP. Gavin would just not invite you back or not dive with you again- we won't let you get into the water. Again - I do not care what anyone thinks about any of this if I did not see them on my last few cave dives. If they were not there, they do not know. All of this web site bullshit is just that - bullshit. There is no deviation or variation on safety in the WKPP, and when Miller "carries" a camera, it is done right, like everything else we do - there is no bullshit gear convolution to go with it, there is no other nonsense. There is no reason to be "polite" about this, and if you do not like that, you can kiss my ass. Six personal preference strokes doing it wrong dead in five days - not very "polite". Todd Leonard wrote: > > > From: Andrew Drapp <andrew@ce*.co*.jp*> > > > > Once again, since I don't seem to be making myself understood well, it > > seems to me that there are reasons other than Hogarthain ones for > > bringing along a piece of equipment. Aditionally, there are times when > > you bring along a piece of gear that is definately NOT Hogarthian. > > Take a camera for example. How can a camera possible make a dive > > safer? Does that mean noone should bring along a camera? Of course > > not. I am wondering (yes, I used the term wondering, that means I don't > > know, and am looking for other views. NOT that I am trying to tell > > anyone anything) if maybe an isolation manifold is similar, if > > considerations other than Hogarthian ones make it the best choice. > > Andrew, I think you're getting stuck with a common misconception here, > that there is only one precise configuration that is "Hogarthian", and > any variation from that is therefore "not Hogarthian". False. It is > first and foremost a philosophy, from which a core gear configuration > follows. There is some variation among Hogarthian divers, but in each > case I've seen it is relatively minor and the diver in question can > tell you exactly why they're doing it. Usually it's so minor that you > would have to be pretty familiar with this gear config to notice it. > However, it should be clear that the gear you use on a dive needs to > be the best for *that* dive, not for some other possible dive. > > But let's take your example -- If you plan a dive that doesn't require > you to take pictures but you feel compelled to bring a camera anyway, > that would not be Hogarthian. It would be a clear violation of the > "less is best" philosophy. If you're planning a dive that does require > you to take pictures, then of course you're going to have to bring a > camera. How do you bring it? In the least cluttered and most streamlined > way possible -- the same philosophy that guides other gear configuration > will clearly also guide camera configuration and placement. If you want > a more specific discussion of the best way to bring/use a camera, then > you would have to ask the guys who do it regularly, maybe Barry Miller. > > Unfortunately, there are certain individuals on this list who may see > this post as an opportunity to say "You see??? I can configure my gear > any way I want because even Hogarthian divers aren't all the same." > Look at the ridiculous threads that are going on now because as couple > of these guys think that arguably "bad manners" on the part of a few > people somehow justifies everyone else abandoning reason. Ignore these > bozos. Ignore the folks with bad manners, if that matters to you. > Focus on the philosophies which are laid out very clearly in the Gavin > chapter of the NACD book and in the Jablonski article that's available > on the web. These ideas really make sense, and they really lead to > the gear configuration we're talking about. All personal complaints > to the contrary, I have yet to see a cogent argument against it. > > - Todd -- Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. Send list subscription requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'.
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