Hi to all on Techdiver, We have a small group of Trimix divers in the UK and were discussing how we might determine the % of helium in a ready-mixed cylinder of trimix. Gas chromatography is out of the question for all practical purposes. The %O2 is easy to find out..but how to distinguish between the remaining helium and nitrogen ? Then I discussed the possibility of finding the % He and N2 by using the difference in density. I had a quick go at the maths & it doesn't look so bad....These are all metric units. My apologies to the Imperial unit divers in the USA, but the principle doesn't change. At STP (1 bar pressure & 20 degrees C) 22.4 litres of gas weighs :- Oxygen = 32 grams Helium = 4 grams Nitrogen = 28 grams So for a 10 litre cylinder at 200 bar, let's try out a typical 65m mix of 19/35 Trimix.... 19% O2 weighs 543 grams 35% He weighs 125 grams 46% N2 weighs 1150 grams The total = 1818 grams but if we change the He by just 1% then... 19% O2 weighs 543 grams 36% He weighs 129 grams 45% N2 weighs 1125 grams The new total = 1797 grams, ie a 21 gram difference. Now if the steel cylinder weighs around 10 kg then we need to be able to weigh around 12 kg in total to an accuracy of + or - 10 grams (ie around 0.1% accuracy) to get the He % to an accuracy of 1%. I've no idea of how available or expensive a weighing balance of this sort of accuracy is...but it doesn't sound too difficult. For any given %O2, and cylinder volume and pressure it would be easy to work out a chart giving the %He and %N2, if you know the total weight of gas mix. Any comments/thoughts ? Some problems might be a) Pressure x Volume isn't a perfect constant at high pressures, so it needs a compressability curve for each gas instead of the simple ratio I used. Does anyone have access to non-linear gas compressablity curves in the 200 bar to 300 bar range for O2, He and N2 ? b) You would have to be very careful not to add any extra clips or to get the cylinder wet on the outside or do anything other than just add gases between weighing the cylinder empty & then full. c) Decanting will heat the gases up & the temperature increase must either be compensated for or removed by allowing full cooling. Regards, Steve M. ************************************************************************** * * * * Dr. S. G. Millard, * E-Mail : ec96@li*.ac*.uk* * * Senior Lecturer, * * * Department of Civil Engineering * Tel : 0151 794 5224 (UK) * * University of Liverpool, * 44 151 794 5224 * * PO Box 147, * (International) * * Liverpool L69 3BX, * * * UK. * Fax : 0151 794 5218 (UK) * * * 44 151 794 5218 * * * (International) * * * * ************************************************************************** -- Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. Send list subscription requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'.
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