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Date: Fri, 23 May 1997 23:17:19 -0400
From: "James E. Robertson" <nforcer1@ix*.ne*.co*>
To: gmirvine@sa*.ne*
CC: techdiver@aquanaut.com, cavers@ge*.co*
Subject: Re: Three Bad Instructional Practices, One Flawed Concept
Wow! This is unbelievable! Four messages from a George Irvine in my box
and not ONE of them contains the foul language, brutal insults,
rantings, ravings and ill-tempered flames to which I have become
accustomed.

Who are you and what have you done with the real George Irvine? Not that
I'm complaining...it's such a refreshing and (dare I say) polite change.
Welcome to civilization, George. I look forward to reading your words of
wisdom and knowledge without cringing and having to ask my wife and kid
to leave the room.

G. Irvine wrote:
> 
> The flawed concept? Wait a minute for that. The three bad
> instructional practices:
> 
>       1) Deep Air
> 
>       2) Putting bottles with different mixes on different sides as
>          as aid to identification, instead of marking the
> bottles                correctly in the first place and doing it right.
> This is
>          in the same category with putting different colored regs on
>          to identify gases, or any other convoluted scheme.
> 
>          The correct way? Mark the operating depth on the bottle
>          the way WKPP does and leave it turned off with the reg
>          parked on the bottle until ready to use. Unpark the reg,
>          from the marked bottle you want, put it in your mouth
>          turn that bottle on. IF YOU CAN BREATH, YOU ARE BREATHING
>          THE RIGHT GAS.
> 
>          Any other scheme is dangerously flawed, and I invite anyone
>          to argue this with me.
> 
>       3) A new one: using quick releases on harnesses, or useing
>          convoluted harnesses. The dive harness should be made of
>          one continuous piece of webbing, with a separate crotch strap.
>          See the "Doing It Right" video or webb page, which you can
>          locate from the WKPP web page at wkpp.org.
> 
>          NOTE: if the harness is not weaved properly, the shoulders
>          will slip tight when you stand up, causing the gear to be
>          hard to don or dof. Any instructor  should know this,
>          especially the ones who claim so  many years of experience.
> 
>          A harness failure underwater from using separate pieces of
>          webbing, plastic pieces, or quick disconnects is a death
>          sentence.
> 
>   THE FLAWED CONCEPT:
> 
>          The concept that there is a solution for every self-inflicted
>          problem, which is itself a problem , is flawed. For example,
>          putting in a quick disconnect because you rigged the harness
>          wrong is not the answer - it creates a bigger problem.
>          Putting bottles on either side to try to compensate for not
>          marking them properly, or adding the insanity of special regs
>          is a complication and convolution that adds risk to the
>          situation, WHERE THERE PREVIOUSLY WAS NONE.
> 
>   WHY THE FLAWS?
> 
>           Several things contibute to flawed logic. The first one that
>           comes to mind is that we have people teaching diving and
>           running agencies who do no real diving themselves, and are
>           only involved as instructors. Another reason is they all want
>           to be big heroes and reinvent the wheel when they clearly are
>           not thinking things all the way through. They are at the same
>           time constantly preoccupied with covering their asses from
>           previous mistakes, and to cover the fact that they are or
>           were lacking the knowedge at the time. They hold hands to
>           try to fight guys like WKPP who have long since learned
>           better methods, and are willing to bring them to divers while
>           pointing out where we wre wrong and why and why the changes.
> 
>           I CHALLENGE THE DIVE INDUSTRY TO MEET THAT STATNDARD
> 
>           They are trying to teach people to do things they should not
>           be doing, rushing people inbto more an more courses. Tech
>           diving means doinog it right in any situation , including
>           instruction.
> 
>  AN EXAMPLE
> 
>      An incident comes to mind in Ft Lauderdale where an instructor
> tried to take an overweight novice on a deep wreck dive, only to have
> the person panic , loose a fin, drop the reg from its mouth, and go
> appaplectic and refuse donated air. The student had to be cut from its
> gear and taken to the hospital. The solution: put quick diconnects on
> the studnets's gear - this is what we have out there. Here is the best
> part - the "student" is an INSTRUCTOR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
> 
>       The ultimate flaw comes with the instruction of DEEP AIR. The new
> line of reasoning from instructors is that deep air gives the student an
> appreciation of gas. My son is getting his drivers license. Do you dive
> isntructors , and deep air advocates, think I should have him drink some
> vodka and go for a drive so that he will appreciate driving sober?
> 
>        Let me tell all of you something: you can all band up and cry
> about me all you want, the fact is that IF I WERE NOT RIGHT, YOU WOULD
> NOT BE SO WORRIED. Come on out here and take me on, I will not use any
> bad words or call you any names, and that, my friends is going to be
> YOUR worst nightmare - me on my good behavior, and I will do whatever it
> takes to take you out or change you, even do it nicely.
> 
>         George Irvine
>         Director, The Woodville Karst Plain Project
>         Zero Tolerance
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