I subscribe to this list with the intention of gathering useful information
from the "experts" in the diving community and to learn from their
experiences and perhaps even their mistakes in hopes of improving my own
diving and making it as safe and enjoyable as possible.  I think that
Mike's assessment of "George and his crew" (AKA WKPP) is way off base.  99%
of the information that I have gathered from this list and consider to be
valuable and worthwhile has come from the postings made by the WKPP people.
 I think that the advice and opinions they give regarding equipment,
technique, etc are based on experience and backed up with research.  This
is the type of information that I find valuable.  As far as the flames are
concerned, I think that it boils down to being able to separate the wheat
from the chaff.  If you really think about it, you can determine if a
message is useful by either the title or the first few lines.  To me that
equates to about 1.5 seconds per message.  If the message is one that I
deem to be useless I delete it - very simple.  And to those of us out there
seeking advice on purchasing new equipment ask yourselves how much money
they have saved us by providing equipment advice and steering us clear of
the useless, and not to mention expensive, crap that our local dive shop
would have us have collecting dust in our closets.

In summary:

I value the opinions and the contributions of the WKPP.  If I don't find a
message to be useful - I delete it.

Sorry for the rant . . .


----------
> From: gmirvine@sa*.ne*
> To: irelando@FR*.GO*
> Cc: aquanaut@op*.co*; MIKED5172@ao*.co*; Kreska-FJK003 Jack
<kreskaj@sm*.ft*.pa*.mo*.co*>; cavers@ge*.co*;
techdiver@aquanaut.com; cgh@kr*.co*
> Subject: Re: Complaint
> Date: Friday, May 16, 1997 10:34 AM
> 
> And the FRB is the best source of information anywhere in the world. -G
> 
> 
> irelando@FR*.GO* wrote:
> > 
> > 
> >   George and his crew are the best source of information on the cavers
list.
> > 
> > ______________________________ Reply Separator
_________________________________
> > Subject: RE: Complaint
> > Author:  Kreska-FJK003 Jack <kreskaj@sm*.ft*.pa*.mo*.co*> at
> > Internet-Gateway
> > Date:    05/16/97 08:06 AM
> > 
> > 
> > Well said! I agree with your assessment of George and crew.
> > 
> >  ----------
> > From:  MIKED5172@ao*.co*[SMTP:MIKED5172@aol.com]
> > Sent:  Thursday, May 15, 1997 4:43 PM
> > To:  aquanaut@op*.co*
> > Cc:  cavers@ge*.co*; techdiver@aquanaut.com; cgh@kr*.co*
> > Subject:  Complaint
> > 
> > To Whom It May Concern,
> > 
> > I don't know where to send this so I'm sending it to you in the hopes
> > that
> > you will read it and follow-up on it.
> > 
> > I discovered your magazine some time ago but never utilized it.
> >   Recently I
> > discovered your mailing lists(caver, techdiver and wreckdiver) and
> > subscribed
> > thinking that they would be a good forum for the exchange of ideas,
> > experiences, information and opinions.  I couldn't have been more
wrong.
> > 
> > Since subscribing, I have received numerous mailings that the majority
of
> > which are are nothing more than inmature, vulgar, defamatory, emotional
> > insults directed at both living and deceased divers.  This in not an
> > exchange
> > of ideas etc. but a bunch of children throwing vulgar insults back and
> > forth
> > to see who can be the nastiest.  This is unfortunate as it really
> > detracts
> > from what could be an excellent forum.
> > 
> > The people that are most guilty of this are George Irvine and his group
> > of
> > followers at the WKPP.  If you check his postings for the last month or
> > so
> > you will see that they are slanderous, defamatory, vulgar, emotional
and
> > insulting, most of which I believe are violations of your terms of
> > service.
> > 
> > I am unsubscribing to all the lists as I no longer wish to open a
mailbox
> > full of this trash.
> > 
> > Mike
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >
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