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From: <gmirvine@sa*.ne*>
Date: Fri, 16 May 1997 08:50:19 -0400
To: Rob de Groot <Rob.de_Groot@gi*.in*.co*>
CC: techdiver@aquanaut.com
Subject: Re: Pro's and Con's on backplates
Rob, you just can't get anything straight, can you? The inflator is a
nromal, one-way inflator on the NORMAL dive rite wings, not the bondage
wings or the transpack silliness, the NORMAL wings that we use. On the
DR, the inflator is in the right place, on the OMS, the thing is in the
WRONG place - it is on the front of the wing, rather than the back. You
will find out, when you rip one of these clean off , why only a
blithering idiot would do something like this. The other dump on the DR
is on the left lower side, where you can reach back, with you light in
your hand still, and pull the deflator if yuo are in a tight spot. On
the OMS, since nobody at OMS and nobody who uses OMS has a clue, the
deflator is on the FRONT of the wing. Only somebody with no experience,
or a complete idiot would think that is a good idea. The OMS wings have
all kinds of unnecessary crap everywhere, and the bondage wings are a
horrendous kluge and extremely dangerous. These may look real slick to a
dive shop mouth like Green, but anyone who really dives laughs when they
see them.

   The OMS harness has the wrong kind of webbing, has the webbing weaved
the wrong way, has crap everywhere, and is obviously designed by
somebody who has never been diving, like our boy Ted. It has all kinds
of clips, rings, quick disconnects and other evidence of strokery beyond
belief. It has several different pieces of webbing kluged together with
more crap, and resulting in a rat's nest of confusion , just waiting for
its first clusterfuck .

   The problem continues to be well deomonstrated by you two - you think
you know and are looking thorugh a pair of LSD goggles at everything,
coming back with Mondo Bizzaro misrepresntations, half-truths, twisted
logic and convoluted stupdiity, and Ted is just another PADI dive shop
know-it-all who clearly has no practical experience with real diving,
and both of you want to dispense advice. This is dangerous, and this is
the problem. 


Rob de Groot wrote:
> 
>      To all
>      Interesting to see that even if you place a serious question in this
>      forum, George and Ted  still manage to quarrel about it.
> 
>      For those of you who answered seriously , thanks, I now understand it
>      is just a matter of weight  and the fact that it looks nice is totally
>      unimportant in my opinion. I choose the Stainless steel backplate
>      because I assumed it was stronger than the plastic. My only problem
>      now is that with all my gear (wreckdiver so hammer, crowbar etc.) I am
>      a little to heavy.
> 
>      One thing I learned though from the "word-fight"between Ted en George.
>      I understand that the Dive-rite has a dump valve build in the
>      inflatorhose. And although many of you will see this as a
>      non-conformity with the Hogarthian setup, I have always used it and
>      liked it and it is much better than the dump valves that are standard
>      on the OMS wing. Because the contraction bands deform the wing you
>      never find it when you need it.
> 
>      Therefore, to hell with the flames, if it works for me it's okee.
>      Can anyone tell me
>      Is the Dive-rite inflatorhose-with-build-in-valve really poor quality
>      or is what Ted referred to just an incident ?
>      Is the Diverite inflatorhose-with-build-in-valve interchangeable with
>      the OMS inflatorhose (without valve). I mean can it without
>      modifications be placed on a OMS wing ?
>      Or can OMS supply a inflatorhose with dump valve ?
> 
>      If there is a general idee that these valves are poor quality then
>      copy Dive-Rite and OMS in your reply. Poor quality is a crime in
>      diving.
> 
>      Rob de Groot
>      Rob.de_Groot@Gi*.In*.co*
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