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Andy, no offense, but you have been seriously misled: WKPP developped
the scooters, the sonar, the rebreathers that work, and we explored the
cave. Bill Stone is clueless about this stuff, and has no team of
divers. I do not deal with dillatantes like Stone , King, and co. I do
not dive with strokes, and the WKPP is nowhere near the limit of
anything, we are just getting warmed up. Apparently Bill Stone did not
tell you that we have trippled his distance, to use his own petard, and
we just did an 11,000 foot penetration at 285 in Wakulla on a 210 minute
bottom time with 11.5 hours of deco, on OUR scooters, with OUR
rebreathers, with OUR mapper with OUR lights with OUR decompressioin
techniques with NO PROBLEMS with a total of ten people involved in the
whole operation in ONE DAY .
Bill Stone is a joke, and I will remind you that one of our diver's
mother went further into Wakulla than he did, and she did it on a sneak
dive. Maybe the usdct could give Mrs. Hand a call , but then she does
not dive with strokes , either.
Nobody seems to realize that the usdct and Bill Stone are about
aggrandizing Jim King, and that Stone is on King's payroll to get him
into Wakulla. None of these guys actually cave dives, Green and Zumrick
dive at Weenies Nest, where the water is hot and the end of the line is
less than our first stage drop at Wakulla and 100 feet shallower, and
that none of them has a clue about sat diving , and they already proved
that, none of them will do jack in Wakulla, and none of us will have
anything to do with these guys.
The WKPP is a long-term project, and we wil not jeopardize or
compromise that for anyone.
Andy, let me just tell you that the copying of ou mapper and our
scooters is par for the Stone course of deceitfull swcumbaggery, and
yuou can ask Bill Gavin at Coastal Systems what other atrcities along
thes lines he has pulled. My personsal response to Stone is the sweetest
of all: I beat him to the exploratoin, and I beat him to the working
rebreather, scooter, lights, techniques, and mapper, and I did it in my
spare time by using people who have talent, not weenies, strokes, moes
and pot-smoking drunks. We did it while he has been yapping about it,
and we did it at Sullivan, Big Dismal, Cheryl , Turner, Wakulla, Sally,
Indain, Sheppherd, Chips Hole, and everywhre else that requires action
rather than words.
Results talk, bullshit walks. - G
AndyHall68@ao*.co* wrote:
>
> I attended the IANTD conference in Coventry, England this weekend. It was an
> excellent event both from the point of view of the speakers and the practical
> sessions that took place. The highlights for me were
> Wakulla 2 - Expedtion outline by Dr.Bill Stone
> Buddy Inspiration closed circuit rebreather
> CIS Lunar Mk5
>
> There were pool sessions and workshops on the MK5 and the Inspiration. The
> buddy inspiration is a seriously sexy piece of kit. It is a fully closed
> circuit rebreather with a constant set point ppO2 that will give 300 minutes
> of operation. It is rated to 100msw and for use with nitrox or heliox or
> trimix as a diluent. The unit provides for open circuit bailout
> on the diluent and 02. Three oxygen sensors are used along with 2 independent
> computers which monitor the oxygen sensors and allow the oxygen set point to
> be altered in the water if required. The first units are currently being
> shipped at a cost of about 2500 UKP.
>
> There is talk a seperate deco computer to take care of all of the trimix
> options, closed or open circuit in the pipeline this year. I'll believe it
> when I see it.
> Until then your stuck with Proplanner or the equivalent. For the sort of
> diving I am doing it looks to be perfect. Pity it will take 12 to 18 months
> to get the dosh saved.
>
> The CIS Lunar MK5 is a great piece of kit but it is as far beyond my needs
> and Budget as a Moon shot. It was billed at around 9000 UKP ( I was also
> quoted around 15000 dollars (US) - these are figures I was TOLD so
> don't worry about the exchange rate).
>
> The most interesting thing to me was to begin to appreciate the awesome gulf
> between what I personally would consider a significant dive and the
> gargantuan logicistical and technical nightmare that can be an extreme a
> major cave expedition in the Mexico or Europe. The number of personnel and
> the effort and hardship involved just in getting to a dive site perhaps 24
> hours from the nearest exit from a cave system is incredible.
>
> Wakulla poses a whole different set of problems. Access to the site is a
> whole lot easier but the scale and depth of the exploration possible is where
> the problems begin. It is very difficult not to be impressed by the equipment
> and development that have gone into the preparation for Bill Stones Wakulla 2
> project. The MK5 rebreather and the scooters with multi segment spiral
> phased-array-sonar for surveying sound just the business. However, it struck
> me that since the outfit is currently recruiting for front end and support
> divers that experience is on the team is a questionmark. The saturation
> approach seems to have been well researched and used commercially, but may
> well be problematic given the entrance layout at Wakulla.
>
> The WKPP approach seems to be less technologically dependant from what
> information comes out on the web. They seem to be relying on a combination of
> being hyper-fit and riding the edge of their physiology to acheive their
> ends. Undoubtedly they have a huge amount diving skill and experience and
> also up to date knowledge of Wakulla springs.
>
> I would naively contemplate that a co-operative Stone/Irvine effort would be
> most likely to yeild a safe and outstanding result for the three-month
> operation but then what would there be to squabble about on Techdiver. Should
> be an interesting year.
>
> One older guy at the conference made an interesting observation about why he
> came along to the conference.
> "Diving knowledge is mainly folk lore. And if you don't meet the folk, you
> don't know the lore."
>
> Andy H.
>
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