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Subject: Re: Deco Fraud
Date: Thu, 3 Apr 97 15:32:24 -0500
From: Jim Cobb <cobber@mi*.co*>
To: "Robert Major" <bobmajor@ro*.co*>,
     "Tech Diver"
I can't believe this post. This is the biggest pile of sanctimonious =
BS I have ever read. Why don't you put a fucking skirt on and just go =
do some diving? I am no apollo either, but never, ever had I ever had =
such a bizzare, pussy, whiney thought such as this go through my =
head. The reason you go diving is to DIVE, you moron. If your goal =
was to join the WKPP, you should never have bough a fucking transpac, =
thats for sure.

So, what do you really want, you wuss? Your fucking money back? If =
so, why don't you fucking say so? You want to do George dives? Then =
drop some fat.  Or you can sue GOD for giving you such a fat ass. To =
sit your your butt in front of your computer and put out this =
unbelievable drivel is beyond belief. You want IANTD to pay for a =
weight watchers program? Just what the fuck are you expecting out of =
life?

What are you going to do next? Take a downhill skiing course and then =
whine on the internet that they won't let you on the Olympic downhill =
team? Take a weekend mercenary course and then bitch that they won't =
let work the SEALs? I can't believe this crap. Get a life.

   Jim

>Dear Fellow Divers,
>
>Some of what of I have read on this and the cavers list over the past
>few days has got me really concerned.  You see I just completed my
>IANTD mixed gas certification and I recently obtained my full cave
>from a local instructor here in the Tampa area.  For the past several
>years I have been planning to join the WKPP and put my gas training to
>good use, but now I am having major second thoughts about this course
>of action.
>
>Some people would term me as being "robust".  I am a fairly big guy
>and weigh in around 290 @ 5=ED11", but this doesn=EDt impair my athletic
>interests which include golf, fishing and handball.  My IANTD
>instructor recommended that I purchase Pro-Planner and I have been
>generating lots of tables for some of the dives I am anticipating
>having to do with the WKPP.  I confirmed most of these calculations
>with a bootleg copy of Decom that one of the guys in my mix course
>gave me and feel that the deco should be no problem until I read some
>of last weeks posts.  
>
>I did several training dives for my IANTD mix course on some deep
>wrecks out of Pompano with Ocean Diving.  These were serious dives and
>had bottom times on the order of 35 to 45 minutes or so I thought. I
>figured that If wasn=EDt getting bent after doing 45 minutes at 250 then
>I would not get dcs on any of the big dives that WKPP does. After
>seeing that some of WKPP=EDs top divers were dropping out like flies at
>a raidfest I went back and recalculated my "big" dives with Ocean
>Diving.  Fact of the matter was these dives that I thought were big
>were in fact more like 10 - 15 minutes or less of actual bottom time
>when you took into consideration the surface prep, descent and ascent 
>time. 
>
>Eee Gads!! What would happen when a guy like me, who=EDs carrying a
>little extra padding, does one of these  dives in Wakulla.  If George
>Irvine (I=EDve seen him in his Doing it Right video and I find it hard
>to believe that he is really 50 years old, or so he claims) gets what
>he terms "slobitis" (tissue bubble damage to less vascularized
>abdominal fat with associated edema and swelling) on a "routine" dive
>of 45 - 100 minutes of real bottom time. What is my waistline going to
>look like after I step up and "pet the pony" as George terms it.  As
>it is my charge account records reflect a few too many visits to the
>Big Man/Tall Man store. 
>
>The bottom line is that I am a victim of a complete fraud perpetrated
>by IANTD and probably all of the other "tech diving" certification
>agencies (but I don=EDt know because I am not familiar with the details
>of their programs). They make "tech" diving seem like a walk in the
>park that anybody can learn to do, especially guys who are slightly
>challenged in the weight department, like myself.   They hype up these
>deco programs and make us plan all of these big long dives, with
>figuring the gas mixes and CNS toxicity and equivalent breathing rates
> and all of the other bull and we ( I ) start feeling that gee whiz
>now I=EDm a big shot and can walk into these open water dive shops and
>throw around all of these "techno terms" and make some heads turn.  
>
>I can just picture it now. I walk into my local dive shop after a big
>Wakulla dive and this is what probably will happen. 
>
> "Ed, you look like you gained some weight and are in some serious
>pain, by the way how did the dives at Wakulla go and why are you all
>black and blue?"
>
>"It went great.  Do you fellas want to buy some dive gear ? I=EDm going
>back to playing golf.  Hows about a set of 104s and a transpac ?
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