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Subject: Re: Stuffing the long hose
Date: Mon, 10 Mar 97 14:01:11 -0500
From: Jim Cobb <cobber@mi*.co*>
To: "Brent Crooks" <brent.crooks@sy*.ca*>,
     "Tech Diver"
First of all you are agreeing to a faked joke message designed to make 
the sender look like a moron. Second of all, when I am knee-deep in 
rusted metal, fishlines, ropes and cables, the last thing I want is a 
stupid hose banded to the back of my tank to snag on everything. Usually 
when I come up from a dive you can see streaks of rust and goop going up 
and down the back of my tanks, right where a stuffed hose would be 
located. I don't think that the reason for having a dive buddy is to 
untangle your convoluted rig when it gets snagged on everything in sight. 
When you tend to dive solo, you think about stuff like this.


>Hello all,
>        I hate to disagree with you but the truth is I stuff the long hose.
>Chris brown made a few good points actually all of them would apply. When
>diving down south in caves like that in Georges "doing it right" video I
>would see some advantage. Since I don't dive down south but wreck dive the
>St-lawerence in cold quick current I don't see the advantage of breathing
>the long hose.
>        When wreck diving I see the "right" way to do it as breathing the
>short hose. While working through a tight wreck with your buddy following
>you it would be a poor idea to not stuff the hose. You want him/her to be
>able to reach it without problems. If your breathing it and your buddy can't
>reach it in a tight corridor there is a potential for a problem here. 
>        I understand your points and must agree with your style for the
>environment you dive. Where there is room to get close and get the long hose
>from your buddy. Thats all great for you cavers but the reality of doing it
>that way in the st-lawerence in tight wrecks is not a good idea.Unless you
>have a death wish.
>        Do you want to be without air and deal with a paniced out of air
>diver??? Taking the air source out of your mouth in my opinion is not a good
>idea. As George said we must keep things simple. To many tasks result in an
>error. By take the reg out of you mouth you are without air(1). Then you
>must help a paniced diver(2). Then you must get a reg for your-self(3).
>Don't forget about keeping the silt down(4). Then you must take care of your
>line and avoid becoming entangled in a panic situation(5). Five things to do
>instead of letting your buddy pull out the long hose. Are you catching
>on!!!! All of this must be done in a corridor of 3x3ft or less. There is no
>room to play or mess up. Here in the river Chris Brown would survive and be
>able to help his buddy. Unfortunately you long hose breathers have just been
>added to the long list of statistic along with your buddy.
>        As you probably see every environment requires a different
>configuration. I don't intend to insult any of you divers who breath the
>long hose because you probably are able to use it safely in your
>environment. Here for safety reasons we choose to breath the long hose for
>safety reasons. I do what is safe and doing it safe is doing it RIGHT!!!!
>       Safety is the right way of doing it!
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