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(Disclaimers: 1. If this was a troll and I got sucked into replying then I suppose I can be the gullible one for the week) 2. I did not mean to offend. Just question whether or not you have tried the long hose.) ------------------------ Brent; I am not going to beat this dead horse (much) anymore, but I breathed the short hose for years in the St. Lawrence, now my whole team up there breathes the long hose. I have been in some tight situations and now believe that the long hose is better in your mouth. It can be deployed at least an order of magnitude faster when it isn't stuffed. (And it can be restowed easier) What wreck were you on when you were in a 3 foot^2 passage? The Jodry? The Daryaw? Other comments below. In a previous message, Brent Crooks wrote: > > Hello all, > I hate to disagree with you but the truth is I stuff the long hose. > Chris brown made a few good points actually all of them would apply. When > diving down south in caves like that in Georges "doing it right" video I > would see some advantage. Since I don't dive down south but wreck dive the > St-lawerence in cold quick current I don't see the advantage of breathing > the long hose. > When wreck diving I see the "right" way to do it as breathing the > short hose. While working through a tight wreck with your buddy following > you it would be a poor idea to not stuff the hose. You want him/her to be > able to reach it without problems. If your breathing it and your buddy can't > reach it in a tight corridor there is a potential for a problem here. These previous two paragraphs lead me to believe that you haven't tried the long hose. (If you have then I am mistaken and I apologize). Try 50 or so dives with it and then make an informed decision. > I understand your points and must agree with your style for the > environment you dive. Where there is room to get close and get the long hose > from your buddy. Thats all great for you cavers but the reality of doing it > that way in the st-lawerence in tight wrecks is not a good idea.Unless you > have a death wish. This is blatently wrong. When you stuff the long hose, where is the second stage placed? If it is around the front, then your buddy is still fucked. If its around the back, then how do you reach it in an emergency? > Do you want to be without air and deal with a paniced out of air > diver??? Taking the air source out of your mouth in my opinion is not a good > idea. As George said we must keep things simple. To many tasks result in an > error. By take the reg out of you mouth you are without air(1). Then you > must help a paniced diver(2). Then you must get a reg for your-self(3). But remember the reg that you must get for yourself can be reached without using your hands since is strung around your neck and its right by your mouth. Can you say that about the stuffed hose? > Don't forget about keeping the silt down(4). Then you must take care of your > line and avoid becoming entangled in a panic situation(5). Five things to do > instead of letting your buddy pull out the long hose. Are you catching > on!!!! All of this must be done in a corridor of 3x3ft or less. There is no Wait a minute.... Keeping the silt down and avoiding being tangled are not added tasks. They are tasks you have to do anyway..... You forgot to mention, "remember to check your air". This stuff should be second nature by the time you are doing wreck penetrations. > room to play or mess up. Here in the river Chris Brown would survive and be > able to help his buddy. Unfortunately you long hose breathers have just been > added to the long list of statistic along with your buddy. Look. I have done a lot of dives in the Saint Lawrence breathing the long hose and I am still alive (although now I am stuck in the Bay Area with very little wreck diving.) > As you probably see every environment requires a different > configuration. I don't intend to insult any of you divers who breath the > long hose because you probably are able to use it safely in your > environment. Here for safety reasons we choose to breath the long hose for Who is "we"?? <snip> -- Regards, Andy W. Barclay. abarclay@ka*.or* System and Network Design Consultant and UNIX fundamentalist Berra's Law: You can observe a lot just by watching. -- Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. Send list subscription requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'.
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