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Date: 23 Jan 97 17:54 GMT
From: Rob de Groot <Rob.de_Groot@gi*.in*.co*>
To: wreckdiver@wr*.co*, gmiiii@in*.co*
Subject: Re[2]: Wreck gear rigging
     Hello G, (or is it, the remark was not signed ? But it was insulting enough

     so it probably is you.)

     Anyway
     Glad to hear from you again. I thought they had banned you from this
     list.
     Also I'm happy to see that now I'm a member of the group that proudly
     can say they have been named a stroke.
     Since this is proof that those who are members were not afraid to
     stick out their neck and risk being flamed while giving a contribute
     to the most important feature of this list : sharing experiences.

     Okee enough of that I usually pick out the positive things of this list
     anyway, leaving the flames for what they are. And the positive thing is
     you seem to be open to have me and others like me to swim with you
     sometime. Sorry can't make it this weekend, there is an ocean in
     between us.
     Meanwhile don't hesitate to inspire us with useful information.

     By the way what do you mean with your gas mileage ? If it refers to the
     amount of litres you use per minute I would be interested in what you
     consider normal and I trust you not to on brag about it. I definitely
     don't want to enter a contest but my diving computer a Aladin Pro
     NITROX always try to convince me that I use 10 to 15 litres a minute
     and to me that's normal but most divers I know think that's very
     little.

     For the rest who gave input to the wreck gear rigging, Thanks.
     I took notice and highly respect the point of view that wrecks should
     be preserved as a museum and the same goes for those divers who's
     basic equipment is only expanded with a camera, but my truth is equal
     to the contribution of esat atikkan. There are "unique" and "not
     unique" wrecks and the salty water, the strong tides, storms and
     fishing nets  have a terrible influence on what ever is left of a
     wreck. If we don't cannibalise (is this a correct word?) a wreck and
     leave it untouched it would be completely disappeared in 20 years
     depending on it's size of course. But for wrecks that are considered
     really old, say 200 years, when ever their remains appear above the
     sand, we have the same attitude and respect.

     Further I noticed that strangely enough the reactions where basically
     towards the placing of the liftbag. I like to compare the solution
     "but mounted" with my solution "wearing like a belt".
     In both cases the actual lifting bag is positioned on the but just
     below the tanks and therefore streamlined. Picking the bag out of the
     bungi cord seems effortless but so is unlocking a belt that is around
     your waist. If you really looking for bad arguments you could say the
     belt can get stuck somewhere, but if you have ever experienced this
     with your weightbelt it's always the lead that's stuck and not the
     belt itself. The belt is tightly to the body so there should be no
     problem. I'm not sure if the bungi cord at your back enables you to
     put your lifting bag back to your but (difficult sentence!). If for
     any rason my lifting bag can not be used I roll it around the belt
     again and easily put it back. So far I have used it and it worked for
     me, but to tell the truth I never used the bungy cords.

     It also struck me that independently a few of the contributions
     referred to a bag that's held in your hand or strapped to a D-ring.
     I consider this strange I always try to keep my hands free and the
     only time I can not is when I hold my light if it is not attached
     somewhere and when I'm actually working with the tools.
     And in my opinion a separate bag would drastically raise your drag.

     Are there any more smart solutions to firmly attach your tools to your
     body ?
     Looking forward to the next response.

     Rob de Groot


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Subject: Re: Wreck gear rigging
Author:  gmiiii@in*.co* at nxinternet
Date:    22-1-97 15:10


>Who care to comment to the above ?
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   Rob, you've got it all figured out - I'd love to see one of you guys try to
swim with me sometime, and then check the gas mileage - what is the big
attraction of fighting the laws of physics? Hogarthian "littany" - how about
blatent storkery, ill-thought out stupidity, mindless nonsense, and
one-dimensional tunnel vision?

    Why not just sink the boat and draqg all of your gear around the wreck with

you?


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