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Jeff, You will do fine here. Just listen and filter out all of the superfluous info. Develop a thick skin and do not promote dangerous crap. Ask George to send you a copy of "Doing it Right" and you will have a great start. The Hogarthian rig can be used for all of your diving needs. Michael J. Kravit Boca Raton, Florida mkravit@mi*.co* (561) 394-6607 ---------- > From: Jeff Kell <jeff-kell@ut*.ed*> > To: Jim Cobb <cobber@mi*.co*> > Cc: Tech Diver <techdiver@terra.net> > Subject: Re: My goodness! > Date: Saturday, January 18, 1997 3:49 PM > > Jim Cobb wrote: > > > First off I think it is safe to assume that the target audience of the > > TechDiver mailing list is people who do the kind of diving where setting > > up hogarthian is a good idea. This is not rec.scuba, so who cares if you > > are a neophyte? If someone is contemplating doing extended range diving > > and they can't afford the correct equipment, then they have taken up the > > wrong sport, haven't they? > > Alright, I tried to be civilized and expected some flak, but where do you > draw the line for the "target audience of the techdiver mailing list" > anyway? Is this a super-elite list for those who have laid or seen the > end of the line in one of Wakulla or Leon's tunnels? Is it only for the > trimix divers? I would never have *heard* of backplates/wings on the > "neophyte" rec.scuba forum, so where am I supposed to go for information? > My peter-puffing fudge-packing PADI instructor? I don't think so. I am > not contemplating cave diving, nor wreck penetration, else I *would* have > the proper configuration. That was *not* the point of my question. I've > read rec.scuba and SCUBA-L listserv for years but I've grown up. I don't > claim to "belong" here as far as dishing out advice to techdivers, but I > do wish to listen and learn, not be jumped on for asking a question, or > questioning an answer. I never claimed to know jack shit on this list > because I probably don't; but it's not like I asked "which side of the > mask does the snorkle go on?" either. Give me a break. I should at least > qualify as a "pledge" to this fraternity. Is your reponse part of the > hazing ritual? > > > Can you imagine if this was a skydiving forum and someone did a post > > describing a way to make a parachute out of old bedsheets? "For those of > > you who want to take up skydiving but can't afford a parachute, I have > > successfully created a perfectly good parachute out of used Holiday Inn > > bedsheets. And to save more money, I have been collecting used dental > > floss to weave economical chute lines." Well, ideas of this calibre are > > being posted routinely on this forum. And it is up to George to call > > these jokers to the carpet and read them the riot act. > > George is an invaluable resource in this forum and I have no issues with > his viewpoints (which are from experience) although his delivery could > be polished a bit; but in hindsight, I don't recall George ever jumping > on me to the extent that you have, and when he does jump on someone in > his classic form it's usually on someone "preaching the gospel" like they > know everything but preach the wrong sermon. I don't recall making a > sermon, I initially questioned an answer (Is Hogarthian the One True Way > for even rec diving) and then asked a question (Can Hogarthian be rigged > for rec diving). I never said it was bad/wrong/stupid/etc, I wanted more > information. Others have provided it (thanks to you that replied); you > want to make an issue of my "ignorance". Kick a man when he's down. Bet > you're a great dive buddy. > > > To use your computer analogy, you are not going to do photoshop filters > > on 150 meg files on a 486 (or 030 for that matter) are you? Hell no, you > > just would not do it and wait till you can get the right equipment. The > > difference here is that if you should try to filter a 150 meg file on > > that 486, the only way this would kill is of old age. In diving, the > > death would be swift and cruel. > > You are taking this out of context. My computer example was "if I could > have whatever I wanted, I'd want [this great system]". Similarly, if I > wanted a car, I'd have a Ferrari or Lambourghini or a Lotus, but it > doesn't affect me getting to work (well, maybe time-wise, assuming the > absence of police). I wouldn't take a Ferrari out 4-wheeling in the woods, > that's a <insert your favorite George adjective here> idea. > > Please, let's not start a war; I'm sure you can likely dive circles around > me so let me admit it before you tell the world. It is the sheer fact > that you likely "can" dive circles around me that I asked for advice here. > Do you really want me to go to rec.scuba for advice? I would hope not. > The question doesn't belong on rec.scuba, else I'd end up with a TransPac, > Black Diamond, Ranger, or some other expensive piece'o'shit. I don't care > if you don't want to help me out here, just don't beat me over the head > for asking. And from my post you quoted... > > > >Unfortunately you overlook the 90% (or 99%) of divers that > > >just "dive on vacation in the Caribbean/South Pacific/Red Sea" that may > > >question agency-dictated mandates. Do you really expect an open-water > > >wimp to invest in a Hogarthian rig, with manifolded doubles, to go dive > > >60fsw in the Keys? > > ...let me state I'm not in that 90(99)%. And further... > > > >In the same breath, if any of these newbie divers > > >think they can penetrate Wakulla, then by God, give 'em hell. > > This should have shot your "Holiday Inn parachute" theory all to hell. > I never hinted as mismatched gear/environment configurations. > > I think you may have misread/misunderstood my original posting and hope > that this was just a big misunderstanding. I'd like to let this quietly > die and you guys continue the dive discussions and/or flame wars. > > Jeff Kell <jeff-kell@ut*.ed*> > -- > Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. > Send list subscription requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'. -- Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. 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