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Jim Cobb wrote: > First off I think it is safe to assume that the target audience of the > TechDiver mailing list is people who do the kind of diving where setting > up hogarthian is a good idea. This is not rec.scuba, so who cares if you > are a neophyte? If someone is contemplating doing extended range diving > and they can't afford the correct equipment, then they have taken up the > wrong sport, haven't they? Alright, I tried to be civilized and expected some flak, but where do you draw the line for the "target audience of the techdiver mailing list" anyway? Is this a super-elite list for those who have laid or seen the end of the line in one of Wakulla or Leon's tunnels? Is it only for the trimix divers? I would never have *heard* of backplates/wings on the "neophyte" rec.scuba forum, so where am I supposed to go for information? My peter-puffing fudge-packing PADI instructor? I don't think so. I am not contemplating cave diving, nor wreck penetration, else I *would* have the proper configuration. That was *not* the point of my question. I've read rec.scuba and SCUBA-L listserv for years but I've grown up. I don't claim to "belong" here as far as dishing out advice to techdivers, but I do wish to listen and learn, not be jumped on for asking a question, or questioning an answer. I never claimed to know jack shit on this list because I probably don't; but it's not like I asked "which side of the mask does the snorkle go on?" either. Give me a break. I should at least qualify as a "pledge" to this fraternity. Is your reponse part of the hazing ritual? > Can you imagine if this was a skydiving forum and someone did a post > describing a way to make a parachute out of old bedsheets? "For those of > you who want to take up skydiving but can't afford a parachute, I have > successfully created a perfectly good parachute out of used Holiday Inn > bedsheets. And to save more money, I have been collecting used dental > floss to weave economical chute lines." Well, ideas of this calibre are > being posted routinely on this forum. And it is up to George to call > these jokers to the carpet and read them the riot act. George is an invaluable resource in this forum and I have no issues with his viewpoints (which are from experience) although his delivery could be polished a bit; but in hindsight, I don't recall George ever jumping on me to the extent that you have, and when he does jump on someone in his classic form it's usually on someone "preaching the gospel" like they know everything but preach the wrong sermon. I don't recall making a sermon, I initially questioned an answer (Is Hogarthian the One True Way for even rec diving) and then asked a question (Can Hogarthian be rigged for rec diving). I never said it was bad/wrong/stupid/etc, I wanted more information. Others have provided it (thanks to you that replied); you want to make an issue of my "ignorance". Kick a man when he's down. Bet you're a great dive buddy. > To use your computer analogy, you are not going to do photoshop filters > on 150 meg files on a 486 (or 030 for that matter) are you? Hell no, you > just would not do it and wait till you can get the right equipment. The > difference here is that if you should try to filter a 150 meg file on > that 486, the only way this would kill is of old age. In diving, the > death would be swift and cruel. You are taking this out of context. My computer example was "if I could have whatever I wanted, I'd want [this great system]". Similarly, if I wanted a car, I'd have a Ferrari or Lambourghini or a Lotus, but it doesn't affect me getting to work (well, maybe time-wise, assuming the absence of police). I wouldn't take a Ferrari out 4-wheeling in the woods, that's a <insert your favorite George adjective here> idea. Please, let's not start a war; I'm sure you can likely dive circles around me so let me admit it before you tell the world. It is the sheer fact that you likely "can" dive circles around me that I asked for advice here. Do you really want me to go to rec.scuba for advice? I would hope not. The question doesn't belong on rec.scuba, else I'd end up with a TransPac, Black Diamond, Ranger, or some other expensive piece'o'shit. I don't care if you don't want to help me out here, just don't beat me over the head for asking. And from my post you quoted... > >Unfortunately you overlook the 90% (or 99%) of divers that > >just "dive on vacation in the Caribbean/South Pacific/Red Sea" that may > >question agency-dictated mandates. Do you really expect an open-water > >wimp to invest in a Hogarthian rig, with manifolded doubles, to go dive > >60fsw in the Keys? ...let me state I'm not in that 90(99)%. And further... > >In the same breath, if any of these newbie divers > >think they can penetrate Wakulla, then by God, give 'em hell. This should have shot your "Holiday Inn parachute" theory all to hell. I never hinted as mismatched gear/environment configurations. I think you may have misread/misunderstood my original posting and hope that this was just a big misunderstanding. I'd like to let this quietly die and you guys continue the dive discussions and/or flame wars. Jeff Kell <jeff-kell@ut*.ed*> -- Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. Send list subscription requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'.
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