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Date: Thu, 16 Jan 1997 01:11:58 -0500
From: Mark Welzel <mark@mr*.co*>
Organization: MRW Consulting
To: "Brown, Christopher" <techvid@ne*.co*>
CC: techdiver@terra.net
Subject: Re: risk
I don't agree with your part about "to maximize safety -- is
 *always* the primary goal". I believe that there comes a point
of diminishing return. Where maximum safety adversely affects
the ability to achieve original objectives.

I dive to enjoy it. I try to do so as safely as I can, without
getting too crazed about it. I make mistakes and learn. But
I will not wear everything suggested and worn as suggested
simply to be status quo. 

There I said it! (ok, I said it again, but it's been quieting
down on the list lately).

Mark

Brown, Christopher wrote:
> 
> Finally, Paul Pretorius brought up the *actual* topic of the pissing
> contests we see all the time on the diving lists: risk management. Others
> have a sense of it, some have used the word "risk" in trying to develop
> explanations and arguments, but Paul, in his highly perceptive post,
> actually said the magic word and wins the cigar.
> 
> Here's the best line in his recent post:
> 
> "Having said that, how many of us on here have the experience to determine
> the risk and probabilities accurately?"
> 
> Risk management, perceived risk, acceptable risk, target risk --  slippery
> subjects, very hard to discuss because they are difficult aspects of human
> psychology -- always get drowned in urine-soaked disagreements, with
> everyone involved compounding the problem by thinking all the while that
> it's a disagreement over *safety*.
> 
> Safety is what we're going for, certainly -- and the answers may be in the
> details -- but the *point* of the effort is always *risk management*.
> 
> Often there's a long discussion over something as silly as "which hand
> should I use to open the buckle on my harness -- and would someone please
> create a web site showing me how?"
> 
> Then there are the gear config. battles. How about the recent independent
> /manifold thread? That was really fun: sometimes independents are "OK" --
> when they are used as "stages" -- or "sidemounts". Then they're not OK --
> when used as "back-mounts". But your gas management -- and the risk
> management that guides it -- are varying all over the place. Applications,
> techniques, and configs. *change* -- but doing the best you can to manage
> the risk,to maximize safety -- is *always* the primary goal. It never
> changes. But then, if you use 121's you're an idiot. Yet, if you use them
> as bail-outs for a rebreather, you're smart. What a bunch of silt.
> 
> The *nomenclature* for a tank of gas changes *as its application
> changes*:"stage", "sidemount", "bail-out", "primary" -- and as the
> application changes, it does so according to the *risk management* needs --
> of the *individual* using the gear -- and making the *particular* dive.
> Yet, as seen in the indep./manif. thread, there was no allowance for the
> variables of risk management.
> 
> Then we get into "experience" questions, number of dives,
> attitude/psychological states, male vs. female, training, physical cond.,
> etc., etc. -- in *every* case, the real issue is *risk management*. No
> matter what you do, or don't do, wear or don't wear, what kind of
> environment you dive, how deep you go, how far you penetrate -- whatever --
> it all comes down to *individual* modes of risk management. And individuals
> are as different as snowflakes. "Personal preference" is a term, always
> used derisively on the net, which simply describes  multiple and varying
> levels of individuals' *risk management* ability -- something that changes
> (hopefully improves) constantly for responsible divers.
> 
> Risk management is even at the core of the ubiquitous catch-phrases such as
> "Rule #1", "use the long hose", etc. And Rich Pyle's ""WHATEVER happens is
> COMPLETELY and ENTIRELY your own responsibility!"
> 
> The ultimate effect (benefit) of these discussions, ideally, would be that
> each of us evaluates the info we find according to *personal, realistic*
> risk management assessment -- instead of tunnel-vision nit-picking, pissing
> contest ball-clacking, etc.
> 
> Discussions of gear, system designs, training, organizations -- everything
> -- have the fundamental, but rarely addressed, question of risk management
> that doesn't  get adressed. I hope in coming discussions it's a subject
> that gets the focus/interest/analysis that, IMHO, it deserves/needs.
> 
> That way, pissing contests can be saved for beer parties, risk can be
> minimized for everyone, and we all become better divers.
> 
> Quiz: name the *only* diving apparatus that guarantees you the chance to
> massage your gums and provides an *unlimited* breathing mix supply when
> used properly.
> 
> A: Denta-Snork, of course!
> 
> Christopher A. Brown
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> 
> Life is short -- this is not a rehearsal.
> 
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