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Yeah Barry, I have everything, except a rebreather. I retract my last post, i think its good (theraputic) for you guys to talk about all the problems your rebreathers have and how you have to rely on faith in a higher being to trust they are doing what theyre supposed to. Sounds to me like a real rebreather is still a long way off. The only one that isn't being used in a swimming pool for photo sessions is the one George is using, if this keeps up I predict every open water diver will be learning to dive on a Halcyon by the year 2000...... that is if its as simple to use as George claims. So keep talkin' and we'll see. Scott At 17:00 14/01/97 -0500, you wrote: >Scott, > Could you please send us a list of all the equipment you have so we can talk about that. I just hope you don't have something someboby else my not have. > >Barry > >---------- >From: anscott@hi*.ne*.au*[SMTP:anscott@hinet.net.au] >Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 1997 10:48 AM >To: Barry Miller >Cc: techdiver@terra.net >Subject: RE: Rebreathers was 02 sensors > > > > >At 10:03 14/01/97 -0500, you wrote: >>Exactly what kind of shit do you want to talk about on a techdiver list, >seems to me that rebreathers are a perfect subject. Could you please give us >a list of subjects that should be disscussed, in your opinon. >> >>Barry > > > >Dear Barry, >Anything that most of us have access to. Rebreathers are far from standard >kit for most divers on this list. Even I have a passing interest in them , >as most do i'm sure, but when it comes to the nitty gritty its pretty damn >boring from a non rebreather owners point of view. Maybe when they are >cheaper and work a little better we'll all be able to get on here and >prattle on about their ins and outs but untill then why dont we just try and >get simple things like hogarth, independent v manifold and what a stroke is >worked out first before you guys go confusing us with all this rebreather >black magic shit. >Thanks, >Scott > > >>---------- >>From: anscott@hi*.ne*.au*[SMTP:anscott@hinet.net.au] >>Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 1997 3:39 AM >>To: Techdiver@terra.net >>Subject: Re:Rebreathers was 02 sensors >> >>Why don't you guys start up a Rebreather mailing list - kinda like Marks >>wreckdiver one - then we wont have to listen to all your shit either. >> >> >>X-POP3-Rcpt: anscott@ne* >>Return-Path: owner-techdiver@aquanaut.com >>Errors-To: owner-techdiver@aquanaut.com >>Date: Mon, 13 Jan 1997 19:36:18 -1000 (HST) >>From: Richard Pyle <deepreef@bi*.bi*.ha*.or*> >>To: Barry Miller <rat@ne*.co*> >>Cc: "'cavers@ge*.co*'" <cavers@ge*.co*>, >> "'techdiver@terra.net'" <techdiver@terra.net> >>Subject: RE: D.E.M.A. SHOW >> >> >>> Rich, >>> Are you saying that they have solved all the problems and that >>> they now have a waterproof O2 sensor that works. I want some of that >>> Wonder Icing you have on your cake. >> >>I guess my point was that the feature that George seemed so enamoured by >>is one of the more trivial solutions Stone has come up with to solve >>classic rebreather problems. Moreover, George latched onto the secondary >>purpose of that feature - the primary purpose is to verify the accuracy of >>PO2 readings in real time at any point during the dive with a 10-second >>distraction -- analogous to glancing at your pressure gauge on an >>open-circuit dive. >> >>The real cool stuff - the stuff covered in the pages of my non-disclosure >>agreement with them - have to do with things like prevention of water >>getting on the absorbent in the event of a flooded loop (allowing the safe >>use of LiOH as an absorbent), oxygen control systems, warning systems, >>bailout systems, and some other stuff. Together with adequate levels of >>training, these "tools" expand the magins for error on deep dives >>dramatically. >> >>> And to think just this past weekend >>> there was no solution to this fatal design flaw. >> >>There has been a solution for about 5 years. A very simple one, in >>fact. The problem is, nobody other than Stone seems to have picked up on >>it. >> >>> The "Experts" at DEMA must be surprized. > >> >>I'm sure they would be. >> >>Aloha, >>Rich >> >>P.S. I only managed to get a few seconds of video this past weekend, but >>I appreciate the pointers you suggested. >>-- >>Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. >>Send subscription/archive requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'. >> >> >>At 21:22 13/01/97 -0800, you wrote: >>>The following established underwater filmmakers and photographers have more >>>than 150 hours on BioMarine rebreathers and have had no problems with O2 >>>sensors underwater: >>> >>>Howard Hall (300+ hours) >>>Bob Cranston (300+ hours) >>>Mark Thurlow (camera assistant, 150+ hours) >>>Marty Snyderman (100+ hours) >>>Rod Farb (170+ hours) >>>John McKenney (150+ hours) >>> >>>Established underwater filmmakers and photographers who have recently bought >>>BioMarine units: >>> >>>Mike Severns >>>Al Giddings >>> >>>The point is that the BioMarine unit meets their requirements for >>>reliability, performance and price, and the unit will do the job that they >>>want it to do. Which is why twenty-five sport divers have ordered BioMarine >>>units for what they want to do. >>> >>>In the military, there are more BioMarine designed mixed gas rebreathers in >>>use around the world than any other CCR, and with more than millions of >>>man-hours of use and refinement, no one has suggested removing the sensors. >>>And recently, the Brits just adopted the Mark 16 triple-sensor rebreather >>>for its forces. >>> >>>In commercial diving, the have been more BioMarine rebreathers in use than >>>any other mixed gas CCR, because they do the job, sensors and all.. >>> >>>As far as cave diving goes, the only type of unit that has been used to set >>>world records, individual records, US records and all that stuff if you are >>>interested in records are semi-closed units whose operation is tied to >>>respiratory minute volume (RMV)- Islers one-off unit who showed everyone >>>what could be done in caves with a semi-closed RMV unit and the Halycon who >>>broke Isler's record. Why do these folks use RMV units in caves- because it >>>works best for them and meets their job requirements. >>> >>>As far as recreational diving goes, the unit that has the most sales is a >>>semi-closed system built by the granddaddy of rebreather manufacturers, >>>Drager, and its Atlantis rebreather with 1000 worldwide sales (according to >>>Drager). It is relatively inexpensive, $3500, and is a no-brainer to >>>understand and operate and makes a good deco unit for deep dives on OC or >>>CCR. Why are divers buying this one? It fits their needs pricewise, >>>maintenancewise and braincellwise. >>> >>>Which unit do I think most rebreather wannabes are going to buy in the >>>future? The ones named above based upon need. Rod >>> >>>-- >>>Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. >>>Send subscription/archive requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'. >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >>-- >>Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. >>Send subscription/archive requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'. >> >> >> > > > > >-- >Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. >Send subscription/archive requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'. > > >
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