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janet io think he just don't get it. we are trying as they say "to get a pig to sin"!! hank In a message dated 97-01-13 04:19:34 EST, you write: << Subj: Wahoo-Capt.Janet: Re: For the Record Date: 97-01-13 04:19:34 EST From: wahoo-capt.janet@ju*.co* (Captain Janet C Bieser) To: techdiver@terra.net, techdiver@terra.net --------- Begin forwarded message ---------- From: Wahoo-Capt.Janet To: gmiiii@in*.co*, tech@aq*.co* Subject: Re: For the Record Date: Mon, 13 Jan 1997 03:57:16 PST Message-ID: <19970113.034335.2838.0.Wahoo-Capt.Janet@ju*.co*> References: <199701130357.TAA17613@m2*.in*.co*> what are you some kind of nazis? only a physically ideal person of the superior race should go diving , hiking, parachute, swimming or any thing else? do you want to put every one that dose not look and think like you in a concentration camp and cremate them? Why can't every one that wants to... dive , camp ,climb mountains , jump out of air planes, ride motorcycles or what ever ? It is their own business if they drown ,smash into the ground or get eaten by bears. it is just too bad if that inconveniences you . you are guilty of wing clipping ....just because you can't fly every one else should have there feathers cut. You would rather see all the china brass and silver rot and smash than any one else have it. last thing i retrieved was a soup plate ten feet away from the oregon in the sand at 132 feet , i was collecting sea scallops to give to the people on the boat, i suppose you think it would be better if i let it get washed all the way away and gone. Mr perfect... You claim to know everything about diving in the north east yet have never been diving here. you heap foul sewage upon me and my crew and my boat yet don't know us , just because i do not fit into your madison ave. model ideal of physical perfection and am not a meek stupid barefoot in the kitchen dumb blonde you insinuate that i am guilty of unnatural sexual preferences. chauvinist !!!! for your information...(1) 50 nm south of nantucket is really no place for sport fishermen boats to be, period . ( i never see them out there )the place is infamous for nasty weather that will overwhelm a lightly built vessel before they can retreat to safe harbor through nantucket shoals & weather reports are not reliable the only other shipping i ever encounter out there are big commercal trawlers, long liners, the occasional dive boat and ships (2) Fishermen abandon monofilament line,trawling wire, down rigger cable, and marker buoy line (similar to reel line) and nets ,and it covers all the wrecks so you are constantly cutting or( yanking to snap monofilament) some of the wrecks in the mud hole require you to swim with a specially modified butcher knife known as a mud hole knife in your hand. Any one with a boat and a loran can dive the wrecks , and abandoned poorly run lines litter the inside and outside of the wrecks wafting around in the surge and tangling all concerned. i don't make deep penetration dives with out running a line but it is a bad idea to count on the line exclusively ( or even more than a little) to find your way out I do not advocate NOT running a line .much of the wreckage is razor sharp because of electrolysis (cave trained divers ignorant of local conditions have severed hoses) divers commonly gash open their suits and selves in the surge , some neophyte may cut your line out of ignorance because there is so much line and string around . local divers that visit the same wreck for thousands of dives know the interior of their chosen favorite so well that they can find their way around in zero visibility . Hank really can find his way from any where in the san diego in zero vis. that is what is meant by progressive penetration, but you CAN get lost and drown....their choice... like i said no one controls access to the wrecks and once you jump off my boat i have no way to influence what you do. some people choose not to where a seat belt in the car too . who ever advocates one method for every person and every environment is some kind of mentally unstable crack pot .what do you want, a police state where every aspect of life is legislated? (3) tell me something do you follow the thirds rule when collecting lobster on open water dives ? or just reserve a comfortable and safe for you amount and then swim back to the boat along the bottom or at the surface ? As long as you are not lost inside , you can just surface , or to decompress shoot a tethered bag and go up any time you want to ( although it is better to use the anchor line ) you do not need to reserve a fixed ratio of air to exit , the amount varies with each dive. following the thirds rule is ok too, that works . it may be a little over cautious to have to swim up the 80 feet from the mooring at the shallowest point of the wreck to the surface and get back on the boat with 2600 psi in double 120's , but i like to get back on the boat with a little over 1000 psi remaining in my tanks after the decompression. solo diving is not a controversy i want to address. (4)A long hose seems like a nice idea for helping out of air strangers , it really never occurred to me that some one from another boat would happen to find me off in the distance away from the wreck in the sand spear fishing ( where i spend most of my dives) and just happen to need air, and not find the standard hose adequate in open water it is a remote possibility , i may purchase one but a stronger drowning diver my be able to kill me too any way. it dosn't seem to me to be that inconvenent to dive with (5) what kind of a nut would advocate DEEP AIR and what do you mean by deep , i feel like sh** when breathing air deeper than about 220 feet and avoid diving air deeper than about 200-210 and i am still not in my comfort zone until about 190 . why do you think the wahoo people advocate deep air ?? we have a policy of not permitting air diving deeper than 200 feet since the availability of mixed gas. the tie in on the doria is at 176 feet. You never used to have that option. Mix diving is just great... best thing since they invented the submersible pressure gauge. (6) what do you mean by plan .....plan every aspect of every dive ? You may have to rigidly plan everything when exploring and surveying a cave but when people wreck dive all you have to do is not get lost , and have enough air or gas plus an appropriate extra reserve to finish the dive and surface and not get bent. usualy it is x number of minutes or y psi which ever is first then return to the anchor line and ascend, you just wander around where ever your fancy takes you , keeping track of where you are in relation to the anchor line. new divers stay close to the anchor line or run a reel. what is your problem? don't you realise that not every dive has to be a ridgidly planed ,major production federal project Define technical dive may be we have the wrong idea....are you talking about long, deep trimix dives with extensive penetration into new wrecks ? Or is spending an hour at 130 feet collecting game or taking photos on a wreck as farmiliar as the inside of your own house, then using nitrox and oxygen as decompression gas and argon for your suit a technical dive ? may be we are talking apples and oranges. perhaps you are getting hysterical over nothing ?? janet
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