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From: <mrlungs@to*.co*>
Date: Mon, 13 Jan 1997 20:33:22 -0500
To: mark@mr*.co*
Subject: Re: My goodness!
Cc: techdiver@terra.net
At 04:45 PM 1/13/97 -0500, you wrote:
>Or kill my ass. What happens if some fool gets
>tangled in your line and cuts it? 

What Fool in there right mind would even think of such a thing???  It would
only have to be you.  Listen, I dive on wreck in south fla all the time, and
I do run lines everytime.  I do not have natural light, the line is used, no
questions.  I have over 400 dives on the wrecks of broward, and have never
had a line cut... Must be the jerks that you are diving with up there....


>What, you can't find your way back without a line? In my opinion
>then you should NOT be there. 

"O" please!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  Maybe you souldn't be in the water!!!!

>Obviously it works FOR ME. So don't try to force
>feed me your crap. Argue the merits of a system,
>technique, piece of gear or whatever and stop preaching.

Why dive your way, all it is going to do is get someone killed!!  They are
not preaching, they are argueing the merits of they way you dive!! You will
be better off on your own little Mail List..In your own little world. 
>
>Amen,

That is what they will say when they put the fist shovel of dirt into your
grave with you in it!!

>Mark
>----------
>
>Michael J. Kravit, AIA wrote:
>> 
>> Mark wrote among other things.....
>> 

>> 
>> Mark,
>> 
>> Well it might not also. But on the other hand it might just save your God
>> damned ass.
>> 
>> > I think that progressive penetration is the only way to
>> > safely explore a wreck.
>> 
>> I still fail to see why having an extra safety feature such as a line in
>> your opinion would be a negative. Perhaps your ego  is just too big for
>> such things.
>> 
>> Mark, you are dangerous. Your ego is going to get you and some unsuspecting
>> individual(s) hurt.  You make a point of knocking George Irvine and the
>> WKPP for their style of cave diving, but fail to see that many of us wreck
>> dive, and reef dive as well. We battle stiff currents here in south
>> Florida. We use the same kit for cave diving as for wreck diving with some
>> minor changes and additional equipment.

Yes, and there have been time when I have actually been in the current,
drifted into the wreck, and been blown up against it befor I even knew what
happen.  Currents run strong enough that when you tie off the float, I have
seen it submerse under 4 - 6 foot with no problems what so ever....  

>> You do not get it and may never get it. For your sake, I hope George and
>> the others continue to hammer you until you stop spewing such contorted ill
>> conceived crap.

It is getting to the point that we all should just write him off, I think
that we would all do better talking to a wall, because Mark thinks that his
is the safest for "HIM", but he fails to see that others take what he says
and just might try it, especialy here in the Centeral Florida area.

>> 
>> Michael J. Kravit
>> Boca Raton, Florida
>> mkravit@mi*.co*
>> (561) 394-6607
>> 

Mr Lungs
aka Jeoff Freed, CRTT
Orange City, Fl
PADI Divemaster
www.totcon.com/users/lungs
A Good day at work beats a bad day with Mark!!

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