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So Mike you must be saying the opposite i.e That you shouldn't use independants for solo diving. C'mon - get a grip, don't be so extremist and just admit that if used correctly independants can be safer when solo diving, or perhaps youre going 'troppo' your self. Scott At 18:08 12/01/97 -0500, you wrote: >Troppo > >So what you are sying is that for someone to be "Hogarth" while diving solo, >they must dive independents. Yes, that is what you are saying. > > >Here is what you wrote to me: > >>>>>START: >>Mike > >>you say you use a hogathian rig for NE solo wreck > >dives. This shows you have no clue as true >> hogathian rigged divers use a manifold primarily > >for GAS SHARING. > > >You need to read Jarrods paper on hogathian, > >then you will see the light: solo diving is > >an exeption to the manifold syndrome and you need > >to use INDEPENDENTS in your environment to DO IT > >RIGHT. (that is if you can manage your gas- if > >you can't take option number 1: don't dive). > > >remember- DO IT RIGHT or don't do it at all. > > >troppo > > >PS stop doing it wrong > >>>>END > > >And I say you are full of shit, Troppo. That would mean (according to your >philosophy) any time a diver goes into a wreck or a cave solo that they are >not Hogarth if they are diving a manifold, and they are "DOING IT WRONG" (as >you said). Cave or wreck isn't the issue here, you clearly made the isuue >one of solo diving and manifolds. YOU said that the primary reason for >having a manifold in the Hogarth system is for air sharing and since you are >solo you are not air sharing, and therefore should dive independents; >otherwise you are "Doing it Wrong". Troopo you are such a stupid fuck. You >are killing me. I am rolling on the floor, help me I can't get up. Get a >clue!! > >So Troppo, you are saying that George and even JJ himself is (in you own >words) "Doing it Wrong" when they solo dive with a manifold. Yeah, right. > >Again Troppo writes: > >>at least stick to your point: are you hogarth >>or not. > >Hogarth, what other way is there? > >>JJ himself has written that solo is >>an exeption to blanket usage of manifolds. > >Blanket was the term. Where did it say if you dive solo and use a manifold >you aren't diving a Hogarth rig, and therefore are "Doing it Wrong"? It >didn't!! > >>You say you will have all your gas if a >>reg fails you will not: you will have all >>less the gas you lose while turning the >>valve off. > >Point taken. > >>You say you are better off with all your gas; >>maybe but I would rather have half of mine > >I will still have more than half of mine, and more than what you would have. > But, you said you didn't care...you would RATHER have less gas than you >could have. That is what you just said. > >>(more than enough) > >Not neccessarily. You are making the assumption the everything will go >smoothly on the way out. In a high stress situation, things NEVER go as >planned. Furthermore, ever the most carefuly planned and routine dive can >turn into a dive from hell with out warning. > >>than possibly none at all >>like you if the manifold fails. > >How many manifold failures have there been where someone lost ALL their gas >and died? The manifold is NOT going to break unless you are doing 60 MPH and >slam into something, taking your head off in the process. > >>You say that with half of my gas I might not >>have enough; while I am not the best I've >>seen mostly I will finish with more in one >>tank than manifold divers have all together. > >Is the other one empty? ;-) > >That is more of an indication of the diver and not a falacy of the rig. Get >real! Come over here and dive with JJ or G-. ;-) Ask them why they don't >dive BACK MOUNTED INDEPENDENTS while SOLO diving. Unless ofcourse, you are >doing a much shorter dive then the others are. That would explain why you >use less gas. > >>I beleive independents can be a simpler rig. > >Simple, maybe. Simpler, not a chance. Independents have one more hose and >they are NOT redundant (you can NOT access your TOTAL gas supply via either >reg for air sharing or first stage failure.....bottom line end of story!). > Furthermore, you are FORCED to switch regs with independents for propper gas >management. This something that is not done with a manifold unless sharing >air, and even then you don't keep switching back and forth. Not that >switching back and forth should be a problem because it is done all the time >as a basic skill, but it is one more thing you HAVE to do and one more thing >to clusterfuck up in a high stress situation. You say since you are "solo >diving" sharing air does not apply to you. That is bullshit. You logic is >messed up. Although, it MAY not be likely that you end up sharing air on a >solo dive, the potential ALWAYS exists that you will see another diver on >most dives and posibly have to share air. Some places you will have higher >potential of running into another diver than others, but there still is a >chance while solo diving you will have to share air. So, why are you tyring >to make it harder on yourself to share air if the event arrises? > >>troppo > >>PS eat my shorts > >Only if they are cotton, that polyester shit hurts my throat. > >Mike >-- >Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. >Send subscription/archive requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'. > >
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