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Troppo So what you are sying is that for someone to be "Hogarth" while diving solo, they must dive independents. Yes, that is what you are saying. Here is what you wrote to me: >>>>START: >Mike >you say you use a hogathian rig for NE solo wreck >dives. This shows you have no clue as true > hogathian rigged divers use a manifold primarily >for GAS SHARING. >You need to read Jarrods paper on hogathian, >then you will see the light: solo diving is >an exeption to the manifold syndrome and you need >to use INDEPENDENTS in your environment to DO IT >RIGHT. (that is if you can manage your gas- if >you can't take option number 1: don't dive). >remember- DO IT RIGHT or don't do it at all. >troppo >PS stop doing it wrong >>>END And I say you are full of shit, Troppo. That would mean (according to your philosophy) any time a diver goes into a wreck or a cave solo that they are not Hogarth if they are diving a manifold, and they are "DOING IT WRONG" (as you said). Cave or wreck isn't the issue here, you clearly made the isuue one of solo diving and manifolds. YOU said that the primary reason for having a manifold in the Hogarth system is for air sharing and since you are solo you are not air sharing, and therefore should dive independents; otherwise you are "Doing it Wrong". Troopo you are such a stupid fuck. You are killing me. I am rolling on the floor, help me I can't get up. Get a clue!! So Troppo, you are saying that George and even JJ himself is (in you own words) "Doing it Wrong" when they solo dive with a manifold. Yeah, right. Again Troppo writes: >at least stick to your point: are you hogarth >or not. Hogarth, what other way is there? >JJ himself has written that solo is >an exeption to blanket usage of manifolds. Blanket was the term. Where did it say if you dive solo and use a manifold you aren't diving a Hogarth rig, and therefore are "Doing it Wrong"? It didn't!! >You say you will have all your gas if a >reg fails you will not: you will have all >less the gas you lose while turning the >valve off. Point taken. >You say you are better off with all your gas; >maybe but I would rather have half of mine I will still have more than half of mine, and more than what you would have. But, you said you didn't care...you would RATHER have less gas than you could have. That is what you just said. >(more than enough) Not neccessarily. You are making the assumption the everything will go smoothly on the way out. In a high stress situation, things NEVER go as planned. Furthermore, ever the most carefuly planned and routine dive can turn into a dive from hell with out warning. >than possibly none at all >like you if the manifold fails. How many manifold failures have there been where someone lost ALL their gas and died? The manifold is NOT going to break unless you are doing 60 MPH and slam into something, taking your head off in the process. >You say that with half of my gas I might not >have enough; while I am not the best I've >seen mostly I will finish with more in one >tank than manifold divers have all together. Is the other one empty? ;-) That is more of an indication of the diver and not a falacy of the rig. Get real! Come over here and dive with JJ or G-. ;-) Ask them why they don't dive BACK MOUNTED INDEPENDENTS while SOLO diving. Unless ofcourse, you are doing a much shorter dive then the others are. That would explain why you use less gas. >I beleive independents can be a simpler rig. Simple, maybe. Simpler, not a chance. Independents have one more hose and they are NOT redundant (you can NOT access your TOTAL gas supply via either reg for air sharing or first stage failure.....bottom line end of story!). Furthermore, you are FORCED to switch regs with independents for propper gas management. This something that is not done with a manifold unless sharing air, and even then you don't keep switching back and forth. Not that switching back and forth should be a problem because it is done all the time as a basic skill, but it is one more thing you HAVE to do and one more thing to clusterfuck up in a high stress situation. You say since you are "solo diving" sharing air does not apply to you. That is bullshit. You logic is messed up. Although, it MAY not be likely that you end up sharing air on a solo dive, the potential ALWAYS exists that you will see another diver on most dives and posibly have to share air. Some places you will have higher potential of running into another diver than others, but there still is a chance while solo diving you will have to share air. So, why are you tyring to make it harder on yourself to share air if the event arrises? >troppo >PS eat my shorts Only if they are cotton, that polyester shit hurts my throat. Mike
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