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Jeof Wrote: >Well I can see the flame war is getting very well heated up as > it may seem. >You all are pissed at me because I said for someone with >ASTHMA not to dive, First of all, you don't know how mild or severe their condition is, so how can you justify Nacy Reaganing the issue and say...just don't do it? >well folks, I will continue to say this for the following >reasons: >1) I do not know any medical history on anyone on this mailing > list, and I do not care to. All I care about is that they are >checked out by a Doctor and cleared by the said doctor. If >cleared more power to them, and I wish them very safe >diving!! Absolutely! Why didn't you say that the first time? Instead of insisting the NO DR in the US would ever clear an asthmatic for diving. Maybe you should have said, it is not advisable to do so w/o being cleared by a DR, but even then "I personally" (again, your choice) would not dive. >2) For me to say yes XXXXXXXX it is OK for you to dive, is very > crazy on my part. Absolutely. Again, because you know nothing about the severity or mildness of the indvidual's condition w/o an evaluation. >I will not put someone in jeopardy, if you >all want to go for it, you are the ones that will have to live >with the outcome.. My license doesn't allow me to play doctor > on the I-net, but if you would like to come in to the ER, I will > be more than happy to take care of you in anyway needed, >wether it be a breathing treatment 20min x 3 or the good ole > ET tube for your vent. Nobody was asking you to play DR. Furthermore, a DR should be then one who says "you are OK to dive if you wish", or "No, I don't think you should, given your condition". So, by telling someone NOT to dive..... you are in a sense.."playing DR" >3) No were in any of this discussion was it stated how bad >the asthma was, or what all it was brought on by. Then you should have asked, or explained ALL the possible conditions and offered yuor advice for each individual condition. >Granted Graeme D said that his was due to colds and possible > air quailities. Graeme presented his case, and offered some good info. He was in no way trying to lure someone into diving. He just stated what he can do in his given condition. Then you jumped all over his ass. >I have to take it as the worst possible scenario! Wrong again....this is not ER, this is a discussion. >I did mention some other things that look and act like asthma, > but no respose was givin to those, I gess that those things do > not matter in the diving community. Now you are being pathetic. Ofcourse they matter, but the case we are looking at is a Dx case of asthma. So, it is not about what looks like asthma, it is about asthma. >4) It was construde that all you had to do was to have a >physical and a chest X-ray and you could dive. Funny, I never thought it was that simple. X-ray is only part of it. You need to pass a PFT and get cleared by a DR, which is something you could have mentioned instead of saying "don't do it". >There is more to it, and I am sure that Marty can inform you > just as I can that there is alot more to it than just a >physical and X-ray. >5) Granted yes, Graeme D did post what he found at two of the >sites > www.cru.uea.ac.uk > www.scubatimes.com > But you have to keep in mind that these are a collection of >information done in the UK in 1994. I have tried to find more > info on this, but haven't to this point. But I will still state > "Don't do it" Or maybe I should say for all the politically >correct, "Don't dive unless you are checked out by a >dive quailified doctor" Yes, that is what you should have said. >It appears that I am somewhat wrong on saying Don't >do it, but I still will. If you don't like it, please don't >read my post, you may get mad. Likewise, there is always a delete key. >6) I did make remarks to GD, but that is the way I am at >times. I asked of him what the reason was that he was >diagonsed with Asthma, and how bad it was (more than just >the words "Mild Asthma"). Still have not receive anything >from him. Even so, you can't evalute him over the net. His case is different, he is cleared to dive and apparently dose so w/o complications. >7) If you don't like what I say, what I post, then DON'T read >it! I am not here to kiss anybodies butt, and will not bend to > what you think I should say. I do live in the US and I can do > as I see fit, just as you also have the option. I will continue >to post here, and I will continue to learn here just as >everyone else is. If I am wrong, I will be the first to admit >it! But as it stands now, I have posted NO misinformation to >anyone on this list. Oh, but you did....when you said that "NO DR in the US would clear an asthmatic for diving". That simply is not the case. Each individual case is different and you know that from experience, all you had to do was say that. >If I do, you can post it via this group or you can do it >privately. But the same goes for who ever.... >L8R regards Mike
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