Rich, I have done three times as many open water dives as cave dives . You, 
like the others, are not exposed to the gear and the methods we use, so are 
still trying to take original scuba and make it work, as in hanging bottles -
we 
do not do anything like that , but then we have current, and other conditions, 
and we can decompress on 30's and 40's. 

  When I see people hang bottles I see bottles lost, lines unhook, boats moved, 
etc. 

  Rich, you have never seen how we do anything, but I can assure you it is just 
as well executed as our cave dives , and nobody is arguing with the results of 
those, yet you are willing to argue with something you have not even considered 
or ever seen.

  We have tried all of the dumb stuff when we first did it, and although you 
think this seems clever , you are talking about things we did ten years ago and 
have lived through to find better ways 


    We would not take a bottle past its depth in a cave, but then in open water 
we check each other for what we are breathing at deco, the bottles are properly 
marked for depth, and with the manifold and hopgarthian rig there is little 
chance of breathing the wrong gas

     Recommending dangerous , ill-thought out convolutions as a result of not 
having the proper gear or experience is bullshit, much like the Australians 
saying they should dive deep on air because helium is expensive - why do we
need 
to dive deep . That is like me saying I will fly over water with a one engine 
plane becasuse two engines are more expensive.

     You act like you know what you are talking about and hold yourself up as
an 
expert, and then make recommendations that sound like what an open water one 
student would dream up, or the other people who constantly argue with me about 
cave diving gear, and then tell me that "when they get certified, they will do 
it their way"

     The stuff I recommend woll work now , will work later, will work for a 
weenie dive and wil hold true for the most monster dive out there - do it right 
or not at all, without reservation.

George M. Irvine III
DIR WKPP
Woodville Karst Plain Project
1400 SE 11 ST Ft Lauderdale, FL 33316
954-493-6655 FAX 6698
Email gmiiii@in*.co*

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