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Date: Wed, 1 Jan 1997 16:45:13 -0800
From: George Irvine <gmiiii@in*.co*>
Subject: Re: Doing it right...
To: Bill Elliott <bill@nw*.co*>

  Bill, thanks. While some of the horrible stuff is in fun, and while I get 
blamed for all of it, even though I do mine with my own name, other than the 
funny stuff, when I see people setting themselves up as "experts", and then 
trying to promote dangerous gear and practices, I think the best thing is to 
completely hammer them senseless. If they just habve a stupid idea, well we can 
just discuss it, but you will see the distinction in my responses. For example, 
we have guys in cave diving who start out buy saying they have done this for
ten 
years, and then quote a bunch of bogus statistical analysis ( like , nobody
ever 
drowned because of the hose ", etc, when it is the whole sloppy concept that 
caused the accident, not just one thing), and then they try to discredit me, 
when all I claim is the end of the line, not the invention of diving, and all I 
claim is to try and do it right, not perfection - they are trying to settle for 
less and get me to say it is ok to satisfy some other agenda.

    Most cave divers of the old crowd are just dumb old red necks - no big
deal, 
they are being phased out anyway. The tech community is what scares me, as
there 
is still enough bullshit out there to kill, and I hope by getting in a few
faces 
I can help the ones who will be helped, and cause the others to become apparent 
powers of example. 

     It is so easy and fun when you do it properly. - G

On Wed, 01 Jan 1997, Bill Elliott <bill@nw*.co*> wrote:
>
>George,
>
>	Everytime I think you have finally gone over the top, something shows me
>that you really only pontificate because you believe it, not just because
>you have rotten social skills and like to pound on people.
>
>	This morning I put on "Doing it right" again, and I could hear it in 
your
>voice. You really are fascinated and inspired by what you are doing. You
>have tried to think through all possibilities.  You have done everything
>you could to "do it right".  I appreciate your commitment.  I think anyone
>who has the opportunity to watch the film should be able to see your
>commitment, including the people who can pull permits, and cause trouble
>for the WKPP.  I hope they have all seen it.  
>
>	Now, if you could somehow, not let your abhorance for what you consider
>abject stupidity to color your responses to such a degree, you would even
>win over a few more of the "oposition" who you spend so much time arguing
>with.  But you know what?  If it wasn' for your abhorance for stupidity and
>your drive, you wouldn't be doing what you do.
>
>	I am not condoning your ability to bash people, but I am congratulating
>you on your drive, comittment, and accomplishments.
>
>keep extending the line,
>
>Bill Elliott
>
>


George M. Irvine III
DIR WKPP
Woodville Karst Plain Project
1400 SE 11 ST Ft Lauderdale, FL 33316
954-493-6655 FAX 6698
Email gmiiii@in*.co*


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