You wrote .......... I personally don't like a long hose on my gear. I understand that if an out of or low on air diver shows up it's easier to handle that situation with a long hose. Honestly, what percentage of folks using the long hose are going to ever need it? I have successfully and without any trouble had someone on my "short hose" second reg more than a dozen times in the last 16 years. That experience has made me feel that for myself I don't need a long hose. I consider, for the diving I do, a longer hose has more points for failure, it has more chance for entanglement and snagging even if properly stowed. If I run into a diver in need in a narrow confine it would be a benefit, but the odds of this happening are less than the wreck collapsing in on me or someone else, does this mean I should always have a car jack with me? (ok, sometimes I do). From what I can gather from this list, a long hose is a good idea for caving due to restrictions and the fact that many, if not all, cavers dive in teams. My diving is solo, I rarely come across another diver where I go and if I do I will usually escort them back to safer turf. The only time I meet up with other divers is on my way to the surface and then I don't NEED a long hose. That's how I feel. Yes there is a great deal of equipment out there and techniques developed that would provide the maximum safety and preparedness at all times. But for me the expense and the depreciation of my diving experience does not warrant incorporating everything possible for an event that will PROBABLY never occur to me. The ultimately safe practice is to stay out of the water. If the WKPP wanted to be the safest they could they would incorporate ROV's and not expose themselves to the risks they do. I doubt there is very much they are doing that an ROV couldn't do, and one could stay down for far longer periods at probably less expense, albeit less fanfare for those involved. ..for what it's worth, Mark Welzel Mark I must strongly disagree with you on this point. I dive a variety of equipment configurations and in a variety of environments from Florida Caves and East Coast wrecks to Northeastern Sumps. I tailor my configuration for the type of diving I am doing. Sump diving is the only time I do not dive with a long hose. It is the only time that I can be sure that I may not run into an out of air diver. Even on a solo ocean or cave dive you never know when you may run into an out of air diver who may be desperate or in a panic. The long hose not only may save another divers life but may save yours as well. Case in point....... You run into a panicked diver who has a complete air failure and pass him a regulator on a short hose. He does not calm down but continues to panic. Because you have a short hose you are now face to face and can't get away. He is not rational and wants out so he grabs your BC inflator and holds it down for all that it is worth and locked in his powerful andrenalin fueled embrace you rocket to the surface from 130ft. If you had a long hose the extra length might have allowed you to get behind him and with any luck grab his manifold and take control of the situation. At the very least it would have saved you from joining him on his rocket ride. The story is true and happen last year on a wreck dive, by some incredible stroke of luck neither diver suffered any immediate injuries. They were both incredibly lucky. In another case two years ago a sport diver became trapped on a quarry dive, her trailing "safe second " was snagged by debris and she panicked. The buddy donated her short hose and then did not have enough length to reach the tangle problem. She too panicked and dropped her weight belt believing her positive buoyancy would allow her to pull her buddy free. It didn't and she rocketed to the surface and her buddy drowned. Fortunately due to the extremely cold temps she got a second chance and was able to dive back down, free the buddy and the other diver was revived with no permanent injuries. Another real life example where a long hose might have made a difference... I hope this information may prove useful....safe diving JOSEPH KAFFL SUMPDIVER@MS*.CO*
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