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Date: Mon, 09 Dec 1996 23:15:10 -0500
From: Dave Mabry <dmabry@mi*.co*>
Organization: Great Lakes Maritime Institute
To: Rdediver@ao*.co*
CC: sulteck@so*.ca*, Techdiver@terra.net
Subject: Re: Second Stage Comparisons
Rdediver@ao*.co* wrote:
> 
> >don't use Scubapro or Dacor in cold water.......I haven't tried the
> Zeagle.....<
> 
> OK wise guy, the question was directed to second stage regulators, in cold
> water isn't it normally the first stage that has the freezing problem which
> causes the Intermediate pressure to increase and blow by the seat of the
> second stage??  If you just want to pick on someone, get your facts straight,
> address the question and then make an ass of yourself.  Maybe even offer
> something constructive such as which regulator you would recommend.
> 
> The Scubapro G250 second stage regulator works fine in cold water by the way.

In my experience (I do have some) _most_ freeze ups are second stages
and usually caused by the user not knowing to keep his second stage dry
until just entering the water.

First stage problems are much more dangerous, and therefore it is good
that they are rarer.  Typically the intermediate pressure goes out of
regulation and puts very high pressure on the second stage and inflator
hoses.  This can cause problems with BCs inflating and dry suits
inflating uncontrollably, with obvious results.

I have seen many, many regulators freeze up in cold water.  Through the
ice in lakes is normally about 37 degrees here in Michigan.  Rivers in
the winter can be as cold as 30 degrees or so.  I have never had a
properly maintained scubapro freeze up, nor have I ever had ANY Poseidon
freeze up.  I have seen Sherwood Blizards freeze up on the first stage. 
The guy who had that happen to him was injured due to the freeze up.

I would emphasize that proper maintenance and procedures when diving
cold water are probably more important than the specific brand of
regulator.  Scubapro "cold water prepares" their first stages by packing
them with silicon.  They call it SPEC (acronym for something).  It is a
pain in the ass for repair technicians to clean out during normal annual
rebuilding.  One tech told me it probably costs him an additional 20
minutes just for that.  The Poseidon Odin has a rubber cap that is
filled with Isopropyl Alcohol to isolate the innards from surrounding
water.  I find that preferable.
-- 
Dave Mabry     dmabry@mi*.co*
Great Lakes Maritime Institute
  Underwater  Research  Team

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