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Date: Mon, 28 Oct 1996 20:26:01 -0800
From: stngardn@ix*.ne*.co* (Mark C. Steingart)
Subject: Re: Recommendations for Frogs
To: "Marc Dufour" <emdx@ac*.ne*>
Cc: cavers@ge*.co*
Cc: techdiver@terra.net
I want eveyone who reads this to understand one thing. This is my first 
post to this group for many reasons, the main reason being that I never 
felt that I had anything to say that I considered contributory. So I 
contented myself to hear what others were saying, learn from them and 
that perhaps one day I would feel that something that was on my mind 
would be of interest to others. So read on because you are seeing a 
rare event. Incedentally, politics suck so I apologize in advance, but 
truth is truth so let the truth now be told....
  
>
>Of course, you conveniently chose to blatantly ignore the fact that 
>those kids are far more vulnerable to earlier generations to the 
>ceaseless bombardment of american culture that is exported abroad; a 
>good example is the Eurodisney theme park near Paris (now, this is 
>ironic: Disney's most milestonesque "cultural" achievements are 
>adaptations of European - and a lot of those are French - littary 
>works; by contrast, for example, Warner Brother's cartoons are 
>genuinely american and as thus have far more humorous appeal - but I 
>disgress).
 
     Mr. Dufour, If there is any bombardment of American culture into 
France, it is because that is what the French people are demanding.
American businesses operate on a simple premise, supply and demand. If 
there is no desire for a product, do you really think American 
businessmen are stupid enough to make giant investments overseas if 
they are not going to profit? And if you answer by saying that we 
create the demand, I will ask you if you and the French people are so 
stupid that they don't know what they really want?!
  
>Taste for French culture is not easy to acquire; it evolved through a
>considerable amount of centuries.

       While the comedy of Jerry Lewis was an American Manifestation
It seems to have become a staple of "sophisticated French culture". You 
think the guy is a genius, we think he's a dork.
 
>American culture, by contrast,
>being without significant historical perspective for the most part,

       Here you demonstrate total ignorance of what American culture 
is. We have here in the U.S. everything in the world when it comes to 
culture. If you want plastic and cheap, we got it and if you want the 
best and finest of anything you can name, well, we got that too. The 
people here in the U.S. came here and are still coming here from evey 
nation on earth. Why? They can't go to France! The stupid farmers are 
blocking the place up with their tractors!
  
>does not have a strong financial commitment from either government or
>the cultural elite,

       Who the hell wants the government or some stinking snob mucking 
everything up? The essence of democracy is that the government keeps 
hands off. When the Government backs anything financially it inevitably 
tries to exert it's power through that medium by the very purse strings 
it holds. True freedom of expression whether in art or film or anywhere 
else is dependant upon the absence of government not it's involvement.

>so it has to survive by catering to the lowest
>denominator of society. To do so, it has to be easily graspable and
>has to be palatable to the largest selection of people. This explains 
>why the biggest cultural hits are movies who appeal to the most basic 
>and primitive human instincts.

       Let's take for example just one recent American cultural product 
that you would undoubtedly put in that bullshit category. The movie 
"Braveheart". Now what you undoubtedly see as a film which cateres to 
my basic primitive instincts I see as a movie about COURAGE, HONOR and 
ACTING IN THE FACE OF INCREDIBLE FEAR. SOMETHING THE FRENCH DON'T 
UNDERSTAND! Now you are beginning to see my point. You are incapable, 
as a people of seeing merit in character traits that you don't 
possess.So you write it off as uncultured and pedestrian.

>
>Indeed, by their constant plundering of worldwide ressources, 
>americans are a genuine pain in the butt for the rest of the world. 
>It is bound to be when a country that houses 5% of the world 
>population sucked-off more than 25% of it's wealth. Only uneducated 
>ostriches (or those who get their daily doses of CNN, CBS or whatever 
>private network news) would feel that this is not a proper assesment 
>of the situation as it is.

      When you cite a statistic, buddy you better include your source. 
and while we're at it, we didn't build plutonium nukes in Libya, Iraq 
and Iran. But we (the U.S.) had to go in and clean up your fucking 
mess!! And by the way the chickenshit French beuraucrats were so scared 
of offending Qaddaffi that they wouldn't even let NATO (U.S.) planes 
fly over ther country!
 
 
>Fortunately, for those poor people, there is a wide assortment of 
>european media available to those whose bigotry does not limit them 
>to understanding only one language...

      You sound jealous because the FACT is English is now the language 
of business and diplomacy around the world. And speaking of Bigotry, 
French antisemitism is notorious worldwide!! Just FACTS. 


>Thanks to American influence, instead of thinking on how solve social 
problems
>or feed everybody properly,the elites of the world only think on how 
to expand
>their wealth, personal power and influence at the expense of other 
people. Our
>children will be happy to live on a planet left in shambles by those 
"people".

     You sound like a socialist to me and if that is how you are I am 
sorry, it is quickly becoming a dead philosophy. My philosophy is that 
I take care of myself and my family, work HARD and make my corner of 
this world a little better for me. If I have something left over to 
give to someone who needs it, that's fine too. But as an American I do 
not have to apologize to you or anyone else and in fact you should be 
thanking us, we gave you back your shitty little cuntry after the NAZIS 
did their little end run around the Maginot Line only to listen to your 
bitching and moaning about how you get such a raw fucking deal and how 
superior you are. Well I have to tell you that I'm an American, I live 
in the best fucking country on earth I'm damn proud of it. And by the 
way, even are wines are becoming better than that piss water you Frogs 
dink over there!!




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