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Date: Wed, 16 Oct 96 16:26:02 UT
From: "Tom Petty" <speleoman@ms*.co*>
To: cavers@ge*.co*, "Elena Casson" <ecasson.hrp@ma*.he*.uf*.ed*>,
     gmiiii@in*.co*
Cc: techdiver@terra.net
Subject: RE: NACD BOD Mtg
It seems rather obvious what George has in mind: 1) Gain control of the NACD 
for his own purposes and those of the WKPP, 2) Then kick all of the rest of 
the cave divers (including instructors) out of the organization (or at the 
very least run them off with his obnoxious predjudism).  Are you thinking 
ahead to what happens then?  Cave property management and access, training and 
certification all based upon what gear George thinks you should buy and how 
George thinks you should put it on.
     There are some that think that this is an exageration but the more you 
understand the "I'm okay but the rest of the cave diving world that doesn't 
agree with me is a dumb redneck" attitude the more you understand that this is 
predjudism and egomania in its purest, ugliest form.  I know for a fact that 
Lloyd Bailey doesn't believe it ( you'll have to get rid of him George).  I 
know that the NSS board doesn't believe it ( I know, George, you think that  
all of them are ignorant fools, too).	
     95% of the cave community aren't fools, George.  On the whole, they are 
well educated, intelligent, thoughtfull people.  Mother nature has a way of 
taking care of those cave divers who are not (natural selection).
       In any activity, professional or not, there is more that one method 
utilized.   
You have helped to develop a very successfull method, George, that works for 
you.  The vast majority of the community uses other gear and other methods 
that work for them.  The safety record of the community proves the other 
methods are safe as long as you follow the rules of cave diving.  ---------
From: 	gmiiii@in*.co*
Sent: 	Tuesday, October 15, 1996 9:04 PM
To: 	Elena Casson; cavers@ge*.co*
Cc: 	techdiver@terra.net
Subject: 	Re: NACD BOD Mtg



On Mon, 14 Oct 1996, Elena Casson <ecasson.hrp@ma*.he*.uf*.ed*> wrote:
>To all:
>2.  Jarrod Jablonski was appointed to the board to fill the remainder of
>Milledge Murphey?s term as an instructor board of director. 
>Unfortunately, the term for this position expires at the end of 1996.  The
>board is nominating Jarrod to keep this position at the Annual Membership
>Meeting which will be held at the NACD Workshop on November 9th. 

    Elana - this is a big step in the right direction. Now we need to make 
Jarrod the Training Director, get his new book out, and really get some 
quality 
on the teaching front that matches what we are doing on the access and 
environmental front. 

    We can spin off the old school, and they can start the National 
Association 
for Misinformation, Redneck Stupidity, and Useless Gear Sales as a third cave 
divin' group.

    We need to move forward, and it is obvious who in this communitiy is doing 

that, and who is hiding in the shadows complaining, hiding cave, selling 
non-functional gear, and doing nothing for any of us, and it is time to turn 
this around.

     WKPP will do everything it can to help this organization shake off the 
goobers and get with the program.

George M. Irvine III
DIR WKPP
1400 SE 11 ST Ft Lauderdale, FL 33316
954-493-6655 FAX 6698
Email gmiiii@in*.co*


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