80's are all you need for most diving, but for cave diving with others, the 104 is the standard issue. This is like three 80's, and they are nine pounds negative empty (as a set). The hp steel tanks only have the rated capacity at the full pressure, 3500, whereas the 104's are at 2640. A set of aluminmum 80's at 3500 is nearly the same as a set of hp 102's at 3500. After all , the 102 is really the 72 with a 5/8 neck and a higher price - typical dive industry crap designed for the dumb fucks out there who do not know any better, like everything else. To add insult to injury, the tanks take a different thread size manifold and valve, costing you a bundle and it is not interchangeable with your other tanks. They also have lousy buoyancy characteristecs so are no good as stages and need weight as doubles, expecially cave diving where a low on gas emergency is compounded by sticking to the roof and using even more gas while trying to get back to the entrance. Don't even try to argue that with me. You see somebody cave diving with hp tanks, give them a wide berth - they might as well hav the " I am a dumb fuck" sign on their back, but they will usually have already given that away with the rest of their rig. I got suckered into buying these tanks a long time ago, and I was lucky enought to sell most of them before everybody caught on (after the first dive with them). I am still stuck with one set of 102's, which I took apart and made into oxygen botttles for cave diving, which is the same thing I did with the Scuba Pro 95's I was enough of a dumb ass to buy, so now I have five oxygen bottles, but I need them, unlike most people. I have the manifold off of these pieces of shit for sale of anyone wants it. For ocean, aluminum 80's, for cave, 104's, or 125's if you need the weight, OMS 121 if you can get by with a v weight and the OMS steel plate. JJ and I use 104 and OMS, Brent uses 104 and 125, everyone else uses 104. Do not waste you money - buy the basics - they will always work for your applications George M. Irvine III DIR WKPP 1400 SE 11 ST Ft Lauderdale, FL 33316 954-493-6655 FAX 6698 Email gmiiii@in*.co*
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