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Date: Thu, 5 Sep 1996 13:04:13 -1000 (HST)
From: Richard Pyle <deepreef@bi*.bi*.Ha*.Or*>
To: John Todd <afn48281@af*.or*>
Cc: Anthony Montgomery <amontgom@ha*.ed*>, techdiver@terra.net,
     cavers@ge*.co*
Subject: Re: Q.T. on the U.T. Rebreather - Fraud by any other name
>    pyle - the solenoid sticks open due to computer malfunction.explain to me
> how you even know its stuck open before its too late.

You've never been diving on a rebreather, have you?  Let me ask you this: 
On open circuit scuba, when you blow an HP hose, how do you know it
"before it's too late"?  I mean, you can't see it, can you? Oh, but you DO
hear it.  On a rebreather, not only do you hear the solenoid click, but
you also hear the rush of gas - sort of like punching a purge button.
Maybe on some rebreathers this is barely audible, but when you don't have
to listen to a gurgling rush of bubbles going past your ears every few
seconds, your ears get *very* sensative.  But besides hearing the gas, you
also feel it as a slight pressure burst in the loop. If it stuck open, you 
would definitely feel the back-pressure in the loop before long before it 
becomes a physiological concern.

Now, suppose the solenoid does stick open (incidently, this would virtually 
always be a mechanical failure, not an electronic one). O2 starts flushing 
into the loop.  Unless the O2 injection point is just upstream of the 
mouthpiece, it will take a few breaths on the loop for the high O2 to 
move around to your lungs.  When you notice this happenning (and unless 
you are already brain dead, you *will* notice this happening), you do as 
I suggested in my last message.  If the rebreather doesn't allow you to 
easily do what I suggested in my last message, then it is a poorly 
designed rebreather.  If you're not intelligent or observant enough to 
respond to this sort of situation in a calm and timely manner, then you 
are inadequately trained for rebreather diving. Thus, for adequately 
trained divers on well-designed rebreathers, computer systems are *NOT* 
life-support.

Aloha,
Rich

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