And another thing: QUIT CC'ING EVERYTHING TO CAVERS, for christ sake! Everytime I reply to one of your messages which started out on techdiver without looking at the list of addresses, I get a shitload of bounced messages cluttering up my inbox. Come on, George, I know you sometimes feel outnumberd on techdiver - but PLEASE, your ego isn't that fragil that you always have to keep running to the safety of your "homeland"....is it? I'm sure most people who subscribe to cavers don't want to hear about pony bottles, because they are obviously pretty useless in a cave...aren't they? Give them...and me... a break. Rich
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