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Date: Wed, 21 Aug 1996 16:01:08 -0400 (EDT)
From: Roderick Farb <rfarb@em*.un*.ed*>
To: Bill Brooks <seasport_scuba@su*.ne*>
cc: Techdiver@terra.net
Subject: Re: Cleaning regulators
We have already beaten this horse to death about 18 mo. to 2 yrs ago.  Look
in the archives. We have used out of the box regulators with 100% O2 on scuba
tanks at 2250 psi for years without a problem. U.S. Divers, Sherwood and
Poseidon. I know firsthand of only one instance where a fellow used a ten
year old regulator that had been overhauled one year before but never used-
he used it on a scuba bottle full of 100% O2 at 1500 psi and jammed the valve
open. The regulator flamed for an instant producing lots of smoke then dumped
O2 until it emptied the tank.  When the smoke cleared and the guy dug himself
out of the pile of shit he excreted, it was determined that a first stage 
Oring that had been slathered with grease by the dive store technician on 
the theory that if a little was good then a lot was better had caught 
fire. The high pressure hose for pressure gauge ruptured at the regulator 
and that was where the O2 escaped from. Nothing else caught fire except 
the greased O-ring. The guy should have mentioned to the dive store tech 
that he was going to use it on high pressure O2. I won't bother to tell 
you where this event took place because it would only make you never 
attach your O2 reg. with 100% O2 in the head of your 35 foot cabin 
cruiser. On the other hand it is handy if you have the shit scared out of 
you. The only case of O2 fire during diving was reported on techdiver 
when we were first beating this horse to death. The diver had previously 
finished eating a well-known national brand of fried chicken before the 
deco on 100% O2 and had not taken the precaution of O2 cleaning his 
mouth. It caught on fire during the 20 foot stop. When he was interviewed 
after the dive, all he said was, "mmmpppfffoooccckkkker".

On Tue, 20 Aug 1996, Bill Brooks wrote:

> 
> >>Should a regulator be cleaned for pure O2 or is it another B.S. O2 
> >>cleaning ?
>                                                                  
> >Gil,
> >
> >This is one of the purest forms of bullshit in existance.
> >
> >This is a lie that is being propogated  by dive equipment
> >manufacturers, dive shops, and dive training agencies to separate
> >the diving public from their hard earned money.
> 
> >-Joan-
> 
> I would like to know if anyone on this list has any FIRST HAND information
> about oxygen fires in scuba equipment.
> 
> There has been a lot of talk on this list about O2 cleaning being
> unneccessary but not having blown yourself up
> while smoking and filling your car with gasoline is not proof that the
> practice is safe.  It may just mean that you are  lucky or that your work
> habits allow you to get away with an inherently unsafe practice.  
> 
> I own a dive shop and have heard a story about an O2 fire in scuba gear, was
> that just BS or is there real reason for concern here?  They guy who told me
> the story is on this list so I guess I will find out if it was BS!
> 
> BTW I do O2 cleaning and it is a tedious job that I would dearly love not to
> do.  The idea that the traing agencies and shops dreamed this up to make
> more money is ludicrous.  I would make far more if I could dispense with all
> of this O2 huppolla.  The expense and logistics of keeping o2 cleaned
> equipment keeps alot of people out of technical diving - I want them diving,
> buying gear, taking courses, etc - not spending a few  miserable bucks for
> an O2 cleaning that inhibits the growth of the sport.
> 
> Bill
> 
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