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Date: Mon, 12 Aug 1996 15:33:27 -0400 (EDT)
From: John Todd <afn48281@af*.or*>
To: IANTD <iantdhq@ix*.ne*.co*>
cc: cavers@ge*.co*, techdiver@terra.net
Subject: Re: Square lights and things that go bump in the night...
   tom no one is questioning the service dive rite gives.of course they have
good service,they need to with the quality of the products they make.if
there are no complaints about square lights,then why did you switch?why have
a lot of people switched from them?the thing that gets me is the
pontificating know it all instroketors out there who sell worthless crap
like this,saying its good for everything,when it isnt,but the student doesnt
know hes being fed a line of garbage because he doesnt know that his
instroketor is incapable of doing any real dives.now we have all of this
convoluted strokery out there,and these poor guys stuck with all of this
worthless gear.ask jim wei or ed padgett how they like their neutralights
next time you say "never heard a complaint".ask jim about how much battery
acid leaked out of his batteries after two dives in eagles nest.ask ed how
much money he spent on transpacks because his instroketor told him it 
was the best thing since velveeta and white bread.better yet,why not buy eds
transpack,since we know you like them,i'm sure he'd be more then happy to
sell it to you,he could take the money and put it towards a scooter or
something. - john todd

On Mon, 12 Aug 1996, IANTD wrote:

> John
> I do not have any more square lights becaust I updated then to modular 
> lights. As I did post months ago I have and so have numerous other 
> folks dived them to 400 + with no problems. howevewr as pointed out 
> this does exceed their intended design depth. At least DR did 
> acknowledge that. I still have had no problems with that light. It is 
> updated as there is an improved light out, that will take 500+ feet 
> without a battery in it.
> 
> Second ything is there are tens of thousands of diving hours on the 
> neutralight with happy and satisfied divers. I do not think any 
> studenty of mine who purchases a DR neutralight has had objections to 
> the sevice and it's performance. I never did.
> 
> I also buy new regulators, new tanks new dery suits etc when a design 
> is improved I think that is rather normal behaviour for someone in 
> volved in the sport or profession.
> Tom 
> 
> 
> You wrote: 
> >
> >    you know longer have any square lights?wait a second here.lets 
> pull out
> >the cave divers archives and go back six months ago where you were 
> telling
> >everyone how great the square lights were,and you never had one 
> fail,and you
> >have taken them deep many times.now you say you don't have one 
> anymore-so
> >you've "seen the light" so to speak.the least you could do is tell 
> everyone
> >that you no longer use square lights and why.instead there are a bunch 
> of
> >poor idiots who spent their hard earned money (for most people the 
> cost of a
> >square light is more then a weeks salary) on a piece of crap because 
> you and
> >people like you sold them on it,and now you won't tell them you 
> shuckstered
> >them.tom,i suggest that each instrokter who sold square lights and 
> other
> >useless garbage to their students should buy back the useless crap 
> from
> >their students at the cost to replace with gear that works.you willing 
> to do
> >that? - john todd
> >
> >
> >On Fri, 9 Aug 1996, IANTD wrote:
> >
> >> John
> >> If you are replying on the thread about butt lights The light being 
> >> disucssed is not a square light. Although fortunate or not when I 
> did 
> >> dive one it did not go bump and it has been quite deep many many 
> times, 
> >> I no longer have any square lightds so will never know if my luck 
> would 
> >> have held out
> >> 
> >
> >
> 
> 

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