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Date: Fri, 9 Aug 1996 12:20:03 -0400 (EDT)
From: John Todd <afn48281@af*.or*>
To: Technical Weenies <techdiver@terra.net>
Subject: strokery strokery everywhere (or how to stuff tom mounts hoses)
    this is horrifying.heres my system:
    backplate aluminium or stainless steel.single piece of webbing.one
d-ring on the left shoulder,one d-ring on the right shoulder.two backup
lights,one on each shoulder,held down by a piece of bicycle innertube
(surgical tubing like you mention can break or the tie wrap holding it can
break).all clips on backup lights,etc. held together with cave line.on the
waist strap two d-rings,on the left side.my knife sits between them.safety
spool goes on the left waist d-ring.spg comes down the left side under the
arm and is clipped on the waist.you can't show your buddies your spg if you
can't remove it.the clip for the spg is actually on the hose itself rather
then held on by cave line or wire ties.short hose is on left post.left post
has three hoses,short hose,spg,power inflator.right post has one (or two)
hoses (long hose which you breath,power inflator for drysuit if you do not
use argon bottle because you are not using trimix).hose comes down around
light into mouth.one set of wings whether i dive wet or dry,however i never
do short dives so i always dive dry.light stays on waist so you can safely
tow scooter/diver.i think after that incident at little river where the
diver got towed out the benefit of not having a butt light would be more
apparent.the tanks have nothing on them except a manifold,bands and a vip
sticker.no d-rings.no "extreme radical" stickers.no offense but no
stupid expensive iantd custom mix stickers.when diving anything other then
air it has duct tape on the bands with the mix.wings have innertube to
protect them from puncture so there is no need to wear redundant wings.wing
failure is a non-issue.
   my setup cost me $550 for my doubles,$400 for my light,$500 for
regulators,$250 for wings/backplate,$150 for my depth gauge.for less then
$1900 i can go diving.how much does just the transpack cost?lets see,the
same mentality that pushes the transpack also pushes computers and other
crap.an air integrated computer that does nitrox (to be truly technical)
costs $1000.transpack and fully redundant bondage wings $600.one regulator
(posedion) $400.you still cant go diving with that.add some tanks (we must
have the genesis tanks) with a manifold and bands,$900.add another regulator
(poseidon) $400.the posedion long hose $100.octopus holder $10.butt light
$500.$3500 just to get to the same game.yes,youre right tom,it does make
more sense to spend twice as much to do half as well. - john todd



On Fri, 9 Aug 1996, IANTD wrote:

> I will most likely adopt your crotch strap idea into this. I realize 
> that when I dive with WKPP it will be the wasit light that I use 30 to 
> 40 % of the time anyway and that my SPG will have to be placed on the 
> lowere D ring. However on my dives this is the way I prefer, I think it 
> realy is a hogarth style at least by Bill Mains definition.
> as follows
>  
>  . The doubles are manifolded together and ,ideally, an isolator valve 
> is used.
>  .
>  . The regulators are placed so that all hoses extend downward 
> vertically from the valves. The BC inflator hose and the spg are 
> attached to the regulator on the left post
>  
>    The long hose is on the right post and is the regulator that is 
> breathed from. 
>  
>   The long hose runs behind the wings then under the shoulder and is 
> either ran under a waist light or excess hose is tucked under the waist 
> strap when I buttmount.
>  
>  . The short hose is the backup regulator and is secured by a permanent 
> surgical loop at the  neck.
> 
> . The SPG has a custom length of 22 inches as does the BC inflator 
> hose. The SPG is on the regulator on the left post and runs under the 
> left arm. It attaches to the lower D ring on the left shoulder of the 
> Transpac. The reason I wear it here is I never have to touch the gauge 
> rather swimming or on a DPV I simply look down and read the gauge. It 
> is snug and sets in the exact same location all the time. it protudes 
> about one inch out from my chest. It is easy to read with multi stages 
> as well. 
> 
> The transpack has been modified so the shoulder pull straps are preset 
> and their are no pull tabs or dangling ends. The waist strap has fixed 
> D rings added to it and a few other alterations have been done. 
> I actually had to make less alterations on the transpack than i used to 
> on the backplates.
> 
> The inflator hose runs through innertube sections that are on the 
> inflator hose leading from the BC. The hose is attached via the 
> retainer on the left shoulder of the Transpac. 
> 
> When diving wet ,a backup BC,  DiveRite Superwings, or OMS dual bladder 
> BC is used or a custom made seapro two wings set up.
> 
> On dry dives, one set of wings is used.  The dry suit serves as a 
> backup BC.
>  
> The primary light for use in cave or wreck diving may be either butt 
> mounted or waist mounted. 
> When diving in areas that are narrow, such as some sections of wrecks 
> or constricted caves, butt mounting is a logical choice ( I butt mount 
> about 60 to 70% of the time). Waist mounting is a simpler configuration 
> for use in less constricted areas and is ideal for long hose storage. c
> 
>   The safety lights are mounted at the back portion of the backpack 
> with the base being snapped onto the bottom D ring hanging from the 
> waist strap. The light then faces upward and runs through surgical 
> tubing located on the lowest of the small rings attached to the sides 
> of the Transpac. The lights face upright and set against the wings. I 
> actually got this idea from the wau Larry Green mounts his backup 
> lights on a back plate. I used to shoulder harness mount the lights but 
> that does nor work well with the transpack.
>  
>   Reels as needed (use only what you need )are carried on the waist D 
> rings. 
>  
>  Cutting tools 
>  2 are used one is a surgical scissor on the waist dtrap, the other a 
> zknife on the oppossite side
>  (open water)
>   The lift bag is carried by tucking it through surgical tubing loops 
> run through grommets at the base of 
>    the backpack.
>  
> Stage tank rigging may be as described in the hillbilly configuration 
> or the holgarth.
> Tom Mount
> .
> 
> 
> You wrote: 
> >
> >
> >  Tom, as usual, since you do not so the diving we do, you do not 
> understand why 
> >we do not buttmount, but it makes no difference - you don't need to 
> know. Let me 
> >ask you who out there that is a buttmounting hose-stuffer can do the 
> dives we 
> >do, and Tom, I mean HAS DONE. 
> >
> >  When they do, we will see. Right now, I think we have pretty well 
> proven what 
> >way is best, and you can call that slamming, I call it reality, 
> something nobody 
> >seems to want to face out there.
> >
> >  I put out a list of thirteen reasons why not to buttmount, why don't 
> you try 
> >taking the cotton out of your ears and putting it in your mouth. I do 
> not care 
> >how long you or anybody esle out there has been doing this - we do it 
> better. - 
> >G
> >
> >George M. Irvine III
> >DIR WKPP
> >1400 SE 11 ST Ft Lauderdale, FL 33316
> >954-493-6655 FAX 6698
> >Email gmiiii@in*.co*
> >
> >
> 
> 



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