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Date: Fri, 19 Jul 1996 02:25:14 -0500
To: cavers@ge*.co*
From: techvid@ne*.co* (Brown, Christopher)
Subject: RE:John Rose's questions
Cc: techdiver@terra.net
>Chris,
>
>Q1: Why is it that everyone seems to think he is a comedian?
>A: sorry I don't have a good answer.

Me either -- boredom, I guess. Also, humor is where you find it. It seems
everyone who took offense at my Top Ten missed the emot-icon at the end.
That's one of these:  ;-). A wink and a smile?  Get it? Y'all might
decompress *before* diving and loosen up a bit. I thought we were All
having fun!

>Q2: Why is it that so much bandwidth is wasted on cavers by cyber-divers?
>A: They don't do any real diving so they have plenty of time to cyberdive.

Why others cyber-dive more than actually dive varies greatly -- location,
finances, other responsibilities, physical limitations, etc. For myself, I
have way more time to cyber-dive than cave dive, and reduced my production
work drastically during the past 2 yrs so that I can joyfully indulge
myself in the privilege of staying home and playing Mr.Mom for my child.
Fortunately this doesn't require a sex change too. ;-) Cyber-diving is a
good antidote to the cabin fever that continuous child care induces. Try it
-- child care, I mean -- you'll see.

I usually don't say much on the net unless there's a chance to achieve some
balance to ideas or statements that demand examination -- staements which
otherwise would simply be accepted unquestioningly. I'm fairly sure this is
common to most net participants. This is the same as *one component* of why
giii uses the net so often -- and in some of his posts, he quite
effectively addresses safety issues.

But -- this medium, being democratic, has the characteristics and
weaknesses of a democracy: unless different people participate, and offer
contrasting ideas, it will inevitably succumb to the loudest/only voice --
which is not necessarily the truest.  Result: only one view is ever heard,
freedom is lost, the truth is lost, ignorance reigns. Not good. I'm sure
you wouldn't advocate the concept that only *one individual* knows it
all/has the truth? That's very shakey ground.
>
>Q3: Why is it that very few WKPP members post to cavers?
>A: This is a corollary to the previous answer.

Any one would *rather* dive than cyber-dive. But it would be very
difficult, and a mistake, to generalize about WKPP members' reasons for
net-reticence. I wouldn't. (You'd have to ask them individually.)
>
>Q4: Why is it that zero-tolerance for BS gets so many cyber-divers upset?
>A: Cyber-diving is inherently BS-based.

I'd agree with your answer -- if cyber-diving had no use. I'd say the
net's BS-saturated and we all use it for off-gassing, achieveinging a very
high form of net sport-flatulence. *Many* people learn from cyber-diving,
are entertained by it. If there was no value in cyber-diving, then the
diving forums would have lasted as long as the Scab-Picking and
Nose-Picking Forums I started. Yet diving forums persist -- must have some
value beyond BS. QED

Also, it takes an informed, discriminating mind to recognize what is and
isn't BS. Again, WKPP *diving* isn't BS -- no one says it is.

>Q5: How could an unknown diver join WKPP in February '96 and already have
>    done 5 gas dives in Wakulla?
>A: By keeping his eyes and ears open and his mouth shut and by working hard.
>   WKPP doesn't need comedians or know-nothings that think they know
>   everything. We are a team. There is no magic involved here.
>   This organization provides all the opportunity that could be desired to
>   anyone that has the brains and balls to take advantage of it.
>   I started out doing setup, i.e. placing bottles for other divers.
>   I am still doing setup, only now I am placing bottles 2200-2400'
>   back in A tunnel in Wakulla.

Excellent! Congratulations! You are the envy of many divers around the
world, myself included. BTW, there are superb, but ball-less, divers who'd
disagree though, about some kind of testicular requirement -- it just
raises their ire -- and as they say "a woman scorned...."

Courage though -- but not the false one borne of inexperience and myopia --
is certainly a requisite for deep diving. Amazing, to you and I perhaps, is
that for some people it takes courage to even swim. I don't fault them for
the difference between us though.

>Q6: Why would anyone want a gavin scooter?
>A:  See question 5. Want to dive Wakulla?

Anyone would want a gavin scooter -- they're excellent by all accounts. Who
have you seen poo-poo them? Hell, Wak2 is interested and hasn't found/made
anything better yet (don't count 'em out tho'). BTW, you *can* dive Wakulla
without any scooter -- people have. You ought to talk to a friend of mine
-- he dived Wakulla in 1958 -- on air, *without* redundancy of anything,and
no SPG, depth gauge, water-proof watch, or wet suit.( What a weenie
explorer, eh? [BIG wink])

>Q7: Why aren't there more people trying to join WKPP?
>A:  I can't imagine any satisfactory answer. I guess it is easier to
>    criticize that to do. Perhaps the thought of diving at 300' scares
>    the hell out of the cyber-divers. Perhaps the cyber-divers really do
>    know their limitations?

Yes, it's easier to criticize than do -- still looking for a rebreather
patent, or any working C2 design from giii. How do you like Bill Clinton? I
thought so -- so, why aren't you running for president? See what I mean?

Gavin's been there and done it with rebreathers, we all know that. But I'm
not sure that the military wants, or ever asked him for, a rig that does
what the cis-lunar does -- the cis-lunar's a bit outside the military's
application requirements, I believe, but I don't know for sure. I'd like to
ask Bill G. about that but I don't know him well enough and I'm pretty sure
he wouldn't bother answering a stroke like me anyway.

As for being frightened by cave dives at 300 ft. -- hell yes, that's very
scary to me and anyone with any common sense. If it's not to you, then
you're missing something. And that's *really* scary.

Any divers who do really know their limitations, and stay within them,
ought to be congratulated -- those that don't -- ought to have a good
insurance policy. I don't make dives to 300ft. because of my limitations.
And I don't criticize the diving of those who can do it -- I admire them --
for their diving at least -- and I question the "how" all the time, because
they amaze me.

>Q8: Why am I wasting my time posting this instead of mixing gas for a
>    dive this weekend?
>A:  My gas is already mixed. I'm ready to rock and roll.

Excellent! Thanks for the exchange of ideas! Enjoy your scooter, your Tally
power-cave dives, and your comrades in WKPP: the best in the world.

Sincerely,

Christopher A. Brown
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