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Date: Thu, 13 Jun 1996 19:51:47 -0700
From: George Irvine <gmiiii@in*.co*>
Subject: Missing Survey Data
To: cavers@ge*.co*
Cc: techdiver@terra.net
	
      I hear that Steve Gerrard is accusing me of not giving him survey data on 
his cave. First of all, let me make it clear that I don't give a damn, and 
secondly, I gave it to Jim Coke many years ago, right after he said I could not 
get to the end of his line. Well , I did, in one dive, and added 2,000 feet,
and 
it took Gerrard 13 months and a sinkhole one mile further back to get to it. He 
mailed me the Aunt Jemima I put at the end of the line. 

      Personlly , if I were Gerrard, I would be embarrassed not to be able to 
get there the way I did, but then he is not used to doing that kind of thing
all 
of the time, and it is real deep, about ten feet, and real far, about 8500, but 
when a stage bottle goes 7000, what is the problem? I could have done it on 
hundreds, but the weenies had the lines all hidden and screwed up, and I had to 
go to the end of every one of them to find it. I think it took 17 visual jumps, 
not cool in a new cave, but at ten feet, you can stay lost for a long time and 
it won't matter. 

      The other data , from Hilario's Well, which was the result of a 
competition between me and Gavin as to who could lay the most line on a solo 
dive in one day, is held by Gavin, as proof of his win. I even cheated, cutting 
out a side tunnel in one cave and reeling it onto my reel, and then going and 
laying it further out after I ran out. 

       Little did I know that Gavin had in fact taken Hilario with him part
way, 
as a reel bearer, and dumped four full Kahuna reels in one dive. When I 
complained about the assistance, he claimed it was in fact a hadicap, and
should 
count for more. The worst part was that while I was decompressing in my cave, 
Gavin was standing on the edge of the cenote with the empty reels, and I could 
see him up through the water. I tried to get the adjustment for my 80 foot
dive, 
but he would not go for it, any more than Gerrard would agreee that he basicly 
needs over a million feet of weenie cave to equal the 83,500 feet of Power Cave 
in Leon Sinks. 

       That turned out to be the bottom of Dos Ojos, so Bill and I had the end 
of the line at both ends, which is the way it should be - and we only ever did 
those two dives - just like at home. Coke had a fit and wrote a letter to the 
Explorer's Club complaining about us. Maybe if Steve writes to them they will 
demand the data, and ask for an explanation of why we smoked this place. At the 
time, I wrote them back and quoted Bill Main, " You can make new friends, but 
you can't make new cave".- G






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