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Date: Wed, 29 May 1996 16:58:47 -0700
From: George Irvine <gmiiii@in*.co*>
Subject: Re: Watch Your DEpth
To: iantdhq@ix*.ne*.co* (IANTD ), George Irvine <gmiiii@in*.co*>
Cc: techdiver@terra.net

    Tom, I must have made some kind of mistake if I had you and Watts in the 
same post, sorry, I do not remember it. Clearly you are not attempting to 
mislead people like this stroke, or glorify deep air diving like the record 
holders. I don't remmber the post anyway. Please understand that if this was
the 
case, I am certainly sorry for creating that bad information.

    Our project has all kinds of twists of circumstance, and each requires me
to 
sign off on it. It used to also require Gavin, but there was never any
differnce 
of opinion here. He retired, and I do it myself, since the only potential for 
argument would be if a cave went shallow after being deep - I would not allow 
the shallow gas to be carried past its original depth, since the only 
consequence is decompression, which means nothing to me, whereas being dead
from 
a tox incident is a tad more risky. If somewbady gets bent diving with me, they 
should not be diving wth me.

     Otherwise, the use of narcotic  mixtures is strictly out of the question, 
and I have had to remove people from this project who fail to understand that. 
You know of one such person . Everyone else who dives with us is smart enough
to 
never fudge on the 130 aed. As for support divers dropping air bottles at 190 
(the only other drop zone beyond 120), this only occurs where the vertical 
relief is to 130, or if they have gas on their back. Even in Indian, we dive
gas 
on the back. Wakulla has a 190 air drop, but we discontinued that for support 
divers. The exploration divers drop their own air at 190, and the backup air is 
set with the 120 bottles. In the case of long dives, the rule is for me to send 
somebady specificaly to drop this bottle, as I did with Hagler and his wife , 
Alex, who were diving gas on their backs. 

      In Sally Ward, we drop our own air bottles, and the support divers stay 
above the cone if they are on air. I believe the only diver to violate this was 
not asked back. I realize that there is still a little bit of stroke in all of 
us, and the tales of deep air are the ones that are easiest to spout out, but 
this usually dissappears once a real dive is done, and the stroke in us is
wiped 
out by the reality of what truly being out there means. Like you said, deep air 
is for strokes like Watts, not you and I. 

      While I realize that the people who let me dive would pay no attention to 
any claims that I do not know exactly what I am doing ( I have long since
proven 
I do), it is still unnerving to me to hear the high level of criticism I get 
from the community, and the eagerness by them to see me screw up. 

       Let me tell all of you that when I do screw up, I am taking all of you 
with me, as my track record is so much longer than any of yours is or ever will 
be at this type of diving , that you will mever be allowed in. You better hope
I 
don't. 


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