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WAIT A MINUTE! this is a diving discusion list is it not? This is the second dive list I may have to unsubscribe to becuase of quasi-nonrelevant banter! Please get back on track. We can only relate experience, the rest (conjecture) tends to really get off track at some point. I hope to see us back on track soon! Aloha, Michael haring@ha*.ed* On Thu, 25 Apr 1996, IANTD wrote: > Date: Thu, 25 Apr 1996 04:42:52 -1000 > From: IANTD <iantdhq@ix*.ne*.co*> > To: Dan Volker <dlv@ga*.ne*> > Cc: techdiver@terra.net, cavers@ge*.co* > Subject: Re: DEATHS WILL BE FAULT OF POLITICIANS! > > Dan this one was a private E mail why did you place it on the net?? > > Oh Dan, On ass kicking most of us who live the life with martial arts > as our philosophy and more less religion as well as the art and > fighting skills we practice do not threaten folks. So I on the martial > arts consider these challenges out of character of the art to challenge > those you disagree with to a fight. > > I'm a fifth Dan and in my case it does not stand for dances a lot, it > represents consistent training including full contact fighting every > since 1958 and boxing 65 fights when i was younger beginning in 1952 > and boxing thro 1968 and boxing included with the martial arts every > since 1958. Recently I have discontinued full contact because of age > and all the injuries received in a full time life of numerous contact > sports. While I would not accept invitations such as those you offer to > fight. if pushed I would be the last person to walk away and others > share similar views. I do not know the philosophy of the person I > referenced but I do know their abilities which are comparable to those > Sheck had and he too was a high dan who did not dance with mirrors. > Tom > You wrote: > > > >Tom Wrote: > >>snip-- > >>I will not tell them you will kick sand in their face as one of them > is > >>a 4th dan and would most likely rub your head in it. > > > >Tom, > >Since Kickboxing was my main competitive sport before I got into > cycling (my > >present one), and I still work out in the ring occasionally, chances > are > >good your 4th dan (translation of 4th dan---he dances alot in the > mirror > >(katas) but could not fight his way out of a paper bag), I insist you > tell > >him and their group I'll kick sand in their faces. > > > >Dan > > > >> > >snip- > >>> > >>>Tom, > >>>As I see it, what they did was so BULLSHIT, I have zero respect for > >>them, > >>>and anyone associated with them. > >>>And you can tell any of them, I'll kick sand in their face any time > I > >>see them. > >>>Dan > >>> > >>>>Dan > >>>>It is intresting to note that you attack divers that you do not > know, > >> > >>>>have never dived with and are totally unaware of their real skills. > >>>> > >>>>Nothing to do with Wakulla but, Wes skiles is well respected by the > > >>>>cave community overall. He also has more than 20 years of cave > diving > >> > >>>>experience and is active cave diving as evidenced by the recent > >>mexico > >>>>film. Why don't you check with Mike Madden on his abilities and > >>skills. > >>>>Wes has some rather major accomplishments under his belt. > >>>> > >>>>Jim King is a safe and overall respected cave diver and is a good > >>cave > >>>>diver he too has made some rather interesting dives. > >>>> > >>>>Bill Stone is a caver and from all I can gather from people who > dive > >>>>with him a good cave diver.I do not know him well enough to really > >>give > >>>>an opnion, but others do. > >>>> > > > >>>>> > >>>>>Sounds like its time for EVERYONE ON THE LISTS to begin telling > the > >>>>REAL > >>>>>TRUTH about the proficiency levels of Bill Stone, Jim King, Wes > >>>>Skiles and > >>>>>their buddies....and no punches should be pulled. > >>>>> > >>>>>The top ranking politicians should get the opportunity to know how > > >>>>little > >>>>>respect Stone, King and Skiles et al have with their peers, > through > >>>>>printouts of the tech and cavers list we can all mail to them. > >>>>> > >>>>>I'll start this by saying categorically that George would be > safer > >>>>with a > >>>>>single 80 and diving solo, than these half wits would be in full > >>cave > >>>>dress... > >>>>> > >>>>>How many polititians are going to want to "create" AND BE > >>>>"RESPONSIBLE FOR" > >>>>>cave diving deaths, by allowing horrifyingly incompetent strokes > to > >>>>dive in > >>>>>places they are unlikely to survive----- > >>>>> > >>>>>We should ALL GO ON RECORD AS STATING THAT IF STONE, SKILES ET AL > GO > >> > >>>>IN TO > >>>>>WAKULLA, THE DEATHS WILL BE LARGELY THE FAULT OF POLITITCIANS WHO > > >>>>SIDED > >>>>>WITH THE "MOMA'S BOYS" OVER THE BIGGER BOYS WHO CALLED THEM > >>>>WIMPS....WOULD > >>>>>THESE SAME POLITICIANS SEND 12 YEAR OLD CHILDREN TO BATTLE IN > >>FOREIGN > >>>>WARS, > >>>>>OR PARAPLEGICS, OR RETARDED PEOPLE??? WHERE WILL THEY DRAW THE > >>LINE!!! > >>>> > >>>>>The issue at hand is not how "Nice" George is to people who say > >>>>foolish > >>>>>things, or even if he has made "nasty" slurs----the issue is, > "who > >>>>will be > >>>>>safest, when exploring one of the most dangerous penetrations this > > >>>>>government is in a position to be responsible for"....Obviously > the > >>>>safest > >>>>>and best group is WKPP, and "moma's boy" tactics by Stone and > Skiles > >> > >>>>should > >>>>>not be allowed to get them into Wakulla. > >>>>> > >>>>>Dan > >Dan Volker > >SOUTH FLORIDA DIVE JOURNAL > >"The Internet magazine for Underwater Photography and mpeg Video" > >http://www.florida.net/scuba/dive > >407-683-3592 > > > > > > -- > Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@terra.net'. > Send subscription/archive requests to `techdiver-request@terra.net'. >
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