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I feel the need to type another unnecessary opinion. To hold the politicians responsible for these yet-to-happen deaths would be wrong. Dive safety is the responsibility of the diver, not the person that lets him dive. If the diver can not accept this responsibility, he should not be in the water (paraphrase: Rich Pyle). I believe both groups should be judged purely on their performance. WKPP has a proven record. If a competing group has the credentials and believes they can achieve greater results, they should be given the opportunity to demonstrate. If their techniques are flawed, they will not succeed. To grant exclusive access to any group conflicts with public interests. Isn't it interesting that this discussion is even going on. This might be the incentive required to add some humility to the WKPP gang. This situation does not exist because WKPP are bad divers. It exists because they are bad politicians. ttfn David Pearson Nortel Public Carrier Networks Ottawa, Ontario, Canada dpearson@no*.ca* In message " DEATHS WILL BE FAULT OF POLITICIANS!", dlv@ga*.ne* writes: >>> I'll start this by saying categorically that George would be safer with a >>> single 80 and diving solo, than these half wits would be in full cave >dress... >> >>That may be. I believe I know enough to say that G is safe, I >>do not know enuf about the others to make any judgement... >> >>> How many polititians are going to want to "create" AND BE "RESPONSIBLE FOR" >>> cave diving deaths, by allowing horrifyingly incompetent strokes to dive in >>> places they are unlikely to survive----- >> >>Gee Dan, sounds like you want to create the scuba police. >> > > >Mike, you miss the point....Stone, Skiles and group are using "momas boy" >tactics with the polititcians, pointing their fingure at the WKPP group as >having called them "bad names", and demanding that WKPP should be out, Stone >and buddies in, because stone and his group have never said the "bad things" >on the internet. >My point, (which you are not helping me make!), is that access and research >at Wakulla SHOULD be based on skill, safety levels and results demonstrated, >NOT on whether someone said something mean or used "bad words" about Stone >or anyone else in his cub scout pack. > > >>> We should ALL GO ON RECORD AS STATING THAT IF STONE, SKILES ET AL GO IN TO >>> WAKULLA, THE DEATHS WILL BE LARGELY THE FAULT OF POLITITCIANS >> >>Funny, I thought *I* was responsible for my life. By extension >>Stone, Skiles, etc are responsible for theirs. The politicians >>have no part in this. Its between each person and their form of God. >>Obviously *THEY* feel they have the skills and given that, not you >>or any politician can "save" their lives. Keep this out of this hole, >>they will simply find another. > > >If the politicians revoke the charter of the safest, most skillfull cave >exploriation group---WITH BY FAR THE DEEPEST PENETRATION RECORD, and insert >the whining bunch of wannabe's who've had their feeling hurt by bad language >instead, YOU HAVE TO ADMIT A SIGNIFICANT INCREASE WILL OCCUR ON THE ODDS OF >DEATH REACHING OUT TO ONE OF THESE LESS SKILLED WHINERS....AND SINCE THE >POLITICIANS REMOVED THE SAFE TEAM, REINSERTING THE "LESS SAFE TEAM", THEY >WILL BE RESPONSIBLE----IT WILL BE THEIR GOVERNING "ACT" WHICH WOULD "CHANGE" >THE SAFETY RECORD WHICH NOW EXISTS!!! > > >What's the deal Mike? Tell me you don't want to dive with whining >homosexuals who have had mean things said about them;) > >Dan >Dan Volker >SOUTH FLORIDA DIVE JOURNAL >"The Internet magazine for Underwater Photography and mpeg Video" >http://www.florida.net/scuba/dive >407-683-3592 > >-- >Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@terra.net'. >Send subscription/archive requests to `techdiver-request@terra.net'. >
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