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  Charles, I am responding to you while copying your post and mine to the lists.
I really appreaciate guys like you, the same kind I have on my team at WKPP. 
Anything I can help you with in this sport, let me know. I did nine dives one 
day looking for the body of my friend Parker Turner, and I can tell you , as I 
have unsubscribed from all of these lists, that you are dead right, and the
cave 
diving community is dead wrong, and getting deader. Carl Heinzl sent a post out 
to one of them , that I really would like to personally send to all of them,
but 
I lost it. That is ok, they all know what I am thinking, and they are thinking
, 
"naw, he wouln't let me suck it anyway". - G
 
On Sun, 25 Feb 1996, charles martin <martinc@CS*.Co*.ED*> wrote:
>Hi George,
>
>Thanks for all the advice; I really appreciate it.
>
>My first first summer rock climbing, 10 years ago, I watched a
>very athletic girl (a competent climber) smash her skull open
>(literally) because she got careless on a easy decent.  She
>fell 200 feet. We watched her flatline on the scene.  It was a joke 
>trying to haul an overweight chain-smoking paramedic up to the ledge 
>where she was.  She left in a bag.
>
>Anyway, I take safty and competence dead serious and I've walked
>away from climbs rather than climb with someone I didn't trust.
>You can imagine how I feel about picking up a sport with as much
>marketing hype as cave diving.
>
>Thanks again.
>
>Charles
>
>

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