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At 04:48 AM 2/23/96 -0800, George M. Irvine III wrote: > > > Gentlemen (the ladies hae all unsubscribed except for the Chamber Queen), And Rocket too, thank you very much! While I am on the slender side, I have never before been accused of being of being a guy -- but I forgive you. >I have to ammend my butt light comments. Those who bought square lights and other claptrappery are not the strokes, it is the dive instructors who sold the on it who are the problem. Now your talkin'! >Dive gear is expensive, and to have wasted money on goofy lights or unnecessary computers , or other things that do not work is a real crime, and we all know who the perpetrators are. >The correct thing to do is to sell this stuff back to these guys, and eventually get the good stuff, as anyone learning their way will not need any real gear anyhow. Except that they won't buy it, or will buy it at such a discount it really isn't worth it. >Let's concentrate on what we need to get, not what we already know is bullshit. Also, rather than argue about who is a stroke, let's talk about how to do it better and safer, and just forget analyzing the wrong way. Finally! If one shouldn't dive with strokes, then one definitely shouldn't argue with 'em. Ever hear the one about trying to teach a pig to sing? Same thing applies here. Perhaps a list of appropriate equipment, including possible manufacturers and reasons why the equipment is most appropriate would be not be out of line? >We are not going to help the dumb red necks - you can't fix stupid. We are going to save the newer guys a ton of money, and make this sport much more enjoyable for them, and this will translate into real gains in dive safety. Cheaper and safer, a worthy cause if ever I heard one... >Next time we hear one of these guys tell uys about his 8500 cave dives (in the case of the person there, that would be 1.16 dives per day for the twenty years he said he had been cave-diving, or in Tom's case with his 10.000 cave dives, that would be an equally impossible schedule) , ask these guys who's got the end of the line, who does the exploration, who hits the most diffiuclt wrecks with ease, and who is getting the job done. Better yet, why don't we ignore them. I figure that most of the folks here are intelligent enough to determine who is blowing sunshine up their wet little butts and who is speaking with at least a modicum of experience behind them. >Ask what rebreather Rod Farb uses, a real diver with a real track record and real results, or what scooter Bill Gavin uses, or what light Bill Main uses, or what backup lights I use , or what harness Jarrod uses, or what gases WKPP dives, or what fins Casey McKinlay uses, or what drysuit we use, or what regulators you can depend on 6500 feet back at 300 feet deep, Yes, answers to all these questions, please Which is again why I recommend a preferred equipment list. >rather than believing somebody who could not run 6500 feet on dry ground, or has never put his life where his mouth is, but is perfectly willing to tell you where to put yours. > > - George Irvine > >A man's true character is reflected in his behaviour, not in his words. Rocket (DD Smith, Austin TX)
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