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Date: Thu, 15 Feb 1996 18:00:00 -0500
From: "david (d.p.) pearson" <dpearson@bn*.ca*>
To: techdiver@terra.net
Subject: re:Rigid Foam Flotation
Well....

Not to be picky, but I did suggest a couple of coats of fibreglass 
(FRP).  I have used this technique in making motorcycle fairings, and it 
is very strong.  The foam just acts as a free-form mold while the FRP 
hardens.  Once the outside shell is formed, the foam is removed.  For a 
fully enclosed shape, removing the foam would be difficult without 
compromising the structure (you would need a hole).

What I haven't calculated is:
     1)  How thick would the FRP have to be to withstand
         X psi at depth?
     2)  How heavy would it be?
     3)  Would exotic materials (Kevlar) be required?
     3)  Could it really satisfy all the requirements WRT
                -size
                -drag
                -flotation
                -extra weight
                -safety

And I am looking through my #%*)@!! Pocket Ref (2nd edition) only to 
find it doesn't list the density of styrofoam.  But, I know it is lower 
that 32lb/cu.ft.  Another material used in boat-making is Balsa wood 
(8lb/cu.ft.).  Too many dependancies in fibre:resin ratios and types, 
but you could ballpark at 120lb/cu.ft.  For 20 lbs lift, whole structure 
would weigh in at 6-10lbs depending on shape and a lot of other things.

More disclaimer:  The above figures were based on a big pile of educated 
assumptions.  Guess-work is no substitute for luck:)

ttfn
David Pearson

In message "Rigid Foam Flotation", doug@su*.su*.ne* writes:

>As already mentioned styrofoam will crush under pressure. Case in point 
I 
>have made great shot "glasses" from styrofoam cups by putting a few in 
a 
>mesh bag and sending them down with oceanographic sampling instruments.
>High quality cups make nice dense symmetric shot glasses (about 1/3 
size);
>poor quality are substantially distorted. Styrofoam plates are hard to 
eat 
>from due to their thinness after pressure treating. Of course this was 
a few 
>years ago before I realized styrofoam was the work of the devil!
>
>Try contacting Kelegecell or Divinicell for rigid closed-cell PVC foam 
sheets
>which will be able to withstand the pressure. 'Or if you would like to 
mold
>the form, Flotation Technologies makes 5gallon kits of syntactic foam 
(epoxy
>type matrix with tiny glass spheres for flotation). I have (2) 6" x 12" 
x 12"
>extremely high quality syntactic foam blocks (apx. 32 lb/cu.ft) ($900 
list) 
>which I will give away for $100 plus shipping?
>
>Doug Chapman
>
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