Steve & George I wear my gear as clean as anyone. I have most likely been in as many tight situtations as either of you. My mental attitude and discipline I will compare to anyone who dives. I maintain excellent physcial condition. When diving with WKPP it is proper and important to be configured in the same fashion. That means doing it to the tee. I agree with this approach and its importance on the project. It would be extremely disrespectful and out of order for someone to show up on a WKPP dive without being configured as specified. In your shoes I would also deny them diving privedledges on that project. Being configured as required and following the procedures used on the WKPP projects, is part of the discipline and it would be an insult to all who do follow the project standards if someone failed to honor these procedures. DIVING IN GENERAL On all dives as long as someone maintains the same clean priniciples we both advocate they can be equally as safe even if they attach the pressure gauge at a differnt point, wear a safety light at a different place and even if they butt mount a light provided the light is designed for the type dive being made. They can even store the long hose in a different fashion (provided it deploys easily, is positioned so it will not chafe or become entangled) and with all these changes they can be equally as safe and equally as trim and still have that good gas duration thsat comes with good clean configuration combined with excellent dive trim, Of course fitness plays a big role here to. I'm not aruging the merits of the manner either you, I or others (who keep safe placement and useage of equipment) configure equipment Your method for instance is outstanding and it is a proven system. Anyone duplicating this will have a safe and outstanding set up and enjoy the use of a proven under fire design. The point is regardless of what either you or I think and we do have good reasons for our beliefs based on proven concepts, yet other people will configure differently and they can do so and still remain safe. I think the important thing is to emphasize the safety of proven systems and to demonstrate the impractical application of some systems that are commonly used in the field. To a point even though we approach this last point from different angles we have began to develop awareness of gear configuration to the overall diving population. That I think is a major breakthrough in diving and we should be proud of that realility. There is also a thing called comfort that enters the equation. On my own dives I now use a transpack, I do so because for the first time in years my back does not give me pain when I climb up the steps cave diving and walk to the car. In fact for the first time in years I now can and ocassionaly do walk out of the water with both a deco and penetraion stage still attached and walk to my car with them. It does not hurt my back let alone almost cripple me the way doing the same thing in my backplate does. I breath from both hoses during every dive just to be sure they are always functioning correctly. Like you I use custom hose lengths on my bc and spg. When I dive dry I wear one set of wings when I dive wet I wear a backup set of wings. All hoses leaving my first stage go straight down. I do not criss cross hoses. As you know I perfer buttmounted lights(for cave diving as the lights are bigger) regardless of manufacture. I do side mount lights when it is appropriate for the dive group I'm diving with or when using a smaller light while wreck diving. What I hope to see is the community getting away from wrapping hoses in surgical tubing on the side of the tanks, due to the increased possibility of entanglement and chaffing of hoses. I would like to see people discontinue placing safety lights and reels on the side of tanks when diving in overhead environments as it can lead to entanglement and also is an esasy way to lose a safety light of reel and not even know its gone. To make this attreactive to all I think a variey of methods should be shown and that the advantages of each should be explained. If people have a choice of multiple equally as safe approaches they are more likely to adopt these than if they are just told everything they do is wrong and they can only do it one way. I work with a large international market and many of these folks have developed systems they are comfortable with. Some of these are equally as safe as what you or I would recommend some are not. To get them to switch there must be some degree of choice. Hell, George/Steve you and I both have the same attitude towards independent tanks and look at the number of folks who still insist on using them. There is no way these folks will duplicate what you or I would do but maybe if we give them some different approaches they will switch over to a safer system. This is the only place we get cranky in IANTD , but we forbid the use of independents in training programs period, no exceptions, except for side mount dives. Stating an opnion not creating or looking for an arguement , opnion is stated. I understand your point I hope you understand the points I presented here. Tom Mount You wrote: > >At 05:35 PM 2/13/96 -0800, gmiiii@in*.co* wrote: >> >*************************************************************** >> Tom, all good points except that my opinion is that any * >>convolution is unsafe, not that it will kill you by itself, * >>but that the mental attitude that allows it will * >*************************************************************** > >There it is! Did everyone get that? Read it again. > >~~ >Steve > >"Giving money and power to government is like giving whiskey and car keys > to teen age boys." -- P. J. O'Rourke > > > > >-- >Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@terra.net'. >Send subscription/archive requests to `techdiver-request@terra.net'. >
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