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Date: Wed, 14 Feb 1996 08:40:17 -0800
From: iantdhq@ix*.ne*.co* (IANTD )
Subject: Re: Right Way and Wrong way -
To: sirving@ne*.co* (Irving, Steve)
Cc: techdiver@terra.net
Cc: cavers@ge*.co*
Steve & George

I wear my gear as clean as anyone. I have most likely been in as many 
tight situtations as either of you. My mental attitude and discipline I 
will compare to anyone who dives. I maintain excellent physcial 
condition. 

When diving with WKPP it is proper and important to be configured in 
the  same fashion. That means doing it to the tee. I agree with this 
approach and its importance on the project. It would be extremely 
disrespectful and out of order for someone to show up on a WKPP dive 
without being configured as specified. In your shoes I would also deny 
them diving privedledges on that project. Being configured as required 
and following the procedures used on the WKPP projects, is part of the 
discipline and it would be an insult to all who do follow the project 
standards if someone failed to honor these procedures.

DIVING IN GENERAL
On all dives as long as someone maintains the same clean priniciples we 
both advocate they can be equally as safe even if they attach the 
pressure gauge at a differnt point, wear a safety light at a different 
place and even if they butt mount a light provided the light is 
designed for the type dive being made. They can even store the long 
hose in a different fashion (provided it deploys easily, is positioned 
so it will not chafe or become entangled) and with all these changes 
they can be equally as safe and equally as trim and still have that 
good gas duration thsat comes with good clean configuration combined 
with excellent dive trim, Of course fitness plays a big role here to.

I'm not aruging the merits of the manner either you, I or others (who 
keep safe placement and useage of equipment)  configure equipment  Your 
method for instance is outstanding and it is a proven system. Anyone 
duplicating this will have a safe and outstanding set up and enjoy the 
use of a proven under fire design.

The point is regardless of what either you or I think and we do have 
good reasons for our beliefs based on proven concepts, yet other people 
will configure differently and they can do so and still remain safe. 

I think the important thing is to emphasize the safety of proven 
systems and to demonstrate the impractical application of some systems 
that are commonly used in the field. To a point even though we approach 
this last point from different angles we have began to develop 
awareness of gear configuration to the overall diving population. That 
I think is a major breakthrough in diving and we should be proud of 
that realility. 

There is also a thing called comfort that enters the equation. On my 
own dives I now use a transpack, I do so because for the first time in 
years my back does not give me pain when I climb up the steps cave 
diving and walk to the car. In fact for the first time in years I now 
can and ocassionaly do walk out of the water with both a deco and 
penetraion stage still attached and walk to my car with them. It does 
not hurt my back let alone almost cripple me the way doing the same 
thing in my backplate does. I breath from both hoses during every dive 
just to be sure they are always functioning correctly. Like you I use 
custom hose lengths on my bc and spg. When I dive dry I wear one set of 
wings when I dive wet I wear a backup set of wings. All hoses leaving 
my first stage go straight down. I do not criss cross hoses. As you 
know I perfer buttmounted lights(for cave diving as the lights are 
bigger) regardless of manufacture. I do side mount lights when it is 
appropriate for the dive group I'm diving with or when using a smaller 
light while wreck diving.

What I hope to see is the community getting away from wrapping hoses in 
surgical tubing on the side of the tanks, due to the increased 
possibility of entanglement and chaffing of hoses. I would like to see 
people discontinue placing safety lights and reels on the side of tanks 
when diving in overhead environments as it can lead to entanglement and 
also is an esasy way to lose a safety light of reel and not even know 
its gone. To make this attreactive to all I think a variey of methods 
should be shown and that the advantages of each should be explained. If 
people have a choice of multiple equally as safe approaches they are 
more likely to adopt these than if they are just told everything they 
do is wrong and they can only do it one way. 

I work with a large international market and many of these folks have 
developed systems they are comfortable with. Some of these are equally 
as safe as what you or I would recommend some are not. To get them to 
switch there must be some degree of choice. Hell, George/Steve you and 
I both have the same attitude towards independent tanks and look at the 
number of folks who still insist on using them. There is no way these 
folks will duplicate what you or I would do but maybe if we give them 
some different approaches they will switch over to a safer system. This 
is the only place we get cranky in IANTD , but we forbid the use of 
independents in training programs period, no exceptions, except for 
side mount dives.    

Stating an opnion not creating or looking for an arguement , opnion is 
stated. I understand your point I hope you understand the points I 
presented here.
Tom Mount

You wrote: 
>
>At 05:35 PM 2/13/96 -0800, gmiiii@in*.co* wrote:
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>>  Tom, all good points except that my opinion is that any *
>>convolution is unsafe, not that it will kill you by itself,        *
>>but that the mental attitude that allows it will                      
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>There it is!  Did everyone get that?  Read it again.  
>
>~~
>Steve
>
>"Giving money and power to government is like giving whiskey and car 
keys
> to teen age boys." --   P. J. O'Rourke
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