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From: <SATURN.DDRAKE05@gm*.co*>
To: "techdiver(a)terra.net" <techdiver@terra.net>
Subject: More (long) than you ever wanted to know, was O2 Sensor care
Date: Thu, 25 Jan 1996 21:59:58 -0500

     Sorry to waste bandwidth for those who know or know they don't care.


     Tim Taylor writes:
     A friend of mine just came back from DEMA and said that he was told
     that the proper method was to keep the sensor in a humid environment
     (a dive bag for example).  Don't bother sealing the sensor away.
     Supposedly the moisture keeps the sensor head from drying out and
     oxidizing.  This same person told my friend that his sensors typically
     lasted 3 years with this treatment.
     <end>

     I talked in depth with the developers/manufactures of a new 5 yr. cell
     at TEK.  They said that moisture was bad and water is death to their
     sensor.  It is also a galvanic cell.  Keeping it dry, cold (but not
     frozen), and away from it's fuel, O2, is the best thing you can do for
     cells in general. Read that as keep it in a sealed container full of
     inert gas in a refrigerator.  Regarding the O2 gas difusing into a
     plastic bag, for those long Michigan winters, try pulling a vacuum on
     the bag as you seal it and put that in a masor jar purged with inert
     gas as best you can and seal that up before putting it in the frig.
     I'd hope the double seal would at least slow down the diffusion
     process.

     They also mentioned why their meter/sensor combination was worth $380
     (negotiable)... According to them, the sensors are going to give a
     positive voltage out even in a 0% O2 environment.  This is due to the
     O2 caught in the materials surrounding the reaction site diffusing out
     into the reaction area.  The surrounding material is in effect,
     decompressing and off-gassing O2 due to the low partial pressure of
     O2.

     The reason this is relevant is the typical meter is calibrated
     assuming a straight line behavior (linear).  The two points that
     determine this line are by default 0% O2 and whatever you calibrate
     at. Most meters are calibrated at no voltage = 0% O2 which is wrong
     according to these guys (two PhDs in physics and engineering between
     them).  This zero reading is handy because people expect to see that
     when there is no sensor plugged into the meter or the sensor is dead
     and it also removes a difficult calibration step required for
     accuracy.

     The troublesome step required for accuracy is correctly determining the
     voltage that should be interpreted for 0% O2 for each individual
     sensor.  For those of you that know your linear algebra this is the y
     intercept, b, in the y = mX + b formula.  Y being voltage, X the % O2,
     and m the slope or ratio of voltage to % O2.  Note that the % O2 is
     based on the partial pressure of oxygen.  Crank up the gas flow and
     pressure, and you'll see a higher O2 than is really there.

     The Miniox and others simply ignore the b factor in this equation.
     How can you tell, well if the cell gives off positive voltage even in
     a zero O2 environment, you must subtract this voltage out for your
     meter to read zero with a positive voltage.  If you disconnect your
     cell, then the meter will see the drop in voltage and read a negative
     percentage. These fellows typically see around 2-5 mV of background
     voltage in their sensors when in a 0 % O2 atmosphere.

     Why does this mean anything?  Well take an x-y chart with 10
     centimeters on each side, each centimeter on the x axis is 10% O2.
     Plot (x,y) = (0,0.5)  for the 0% O2 and a 5 mV background voltage.
     Now plot (2.09, 2.0) for an air calibration.  Draw a line through
     those two points to the far right of the graph.  This is now your
     chart that the new meter uses to figure the %O2. Y= mX + 0.5. Label
     the line "alpha". The m is not from empirical data, just convenient
     for discussion.  I didn't bother to calculate it.

     To see what the miniox would have given you for 50 % O2, draw a line
     between the lower left corner (0,0) and the air calibration point
     (2.09,2.0) and extend it to the edge of the graph where X=10cm or 100%
     O2. Label it beta for the miniox. The minox line modeling your gas is
     y=mX + 0. Go to 5.0cm (50 %) on the x-axis and then straight up till
     you hit the 1st line you drew for the new meter (alpha).  Mark that
     point. From that point draw a line horizontally, parallel to the
     x-axis, till you intersect the miniox beta line. Drop straight down to
     the x axis and read your value, multiply by 10 for the % O2. The
     difference in the x values at a given Y (voltage from the cell) is the
     automatic error built into your readings with the miniox due to a poor
     mathematical modeling. It can easily approach 2% w/o you doing
     anything wrong.  Notice as the lines travel to the right, higher O2 %,
     the worse the error.  This is due to the poor model and extrapolation
     (guessing what the sensor's behavior will be outside of the
     calibration zone).  In this case the assumption is the same cell used
     for both meters, is calibrated correctly for the alpha meter and it's
     voltage for like mixes is the same.  Yes you can switch cells, but
     with some considerations regarding behavior.

     The surest way to reduce error is to calibrate with a gas as close to
     the mix you are measuring as possible.  For instance, if you are
     mixing air (20.9%)from N2 and O2, your best calibration gas is air.
     You shouldn't see a difference between the meters when this is done
     correctly.  The worst thing you can do is extrapolate, that would be
     using air to calibrate and the checking a higher O2 percentage like
     80% (the higher the more the likelyhood for error).

     These guys' new meter takes the background voltage into account in
     it's linear model of the sensor's behavior. Other meters do not. The
     more you're off from your calibration %, the more the difference
     between meters.  Also, there meter is not finicky WRT flow rates.  As
     long as you have some gas moving it'll read the same (I witnessed
     this) as long as you don't over pressurize it.  The differences
     between the sensors and the meters and the significance of it is up to
     you to decide.

     The way to "do it right"tm, is to have each meter and sensor paired. If
     you switch sensors, then the meter must be recalibrated to the new
     sensor.  I am waiting for information on how to do this correctly.  You
     can see with the limited life of miniox O2 sensors, why the
     sensor/meter calibration step is not commercially attractive.  For
     those who'll pay a bit more, it seems you can get longer (5yrs) and
     more accurate life.  Note the "can" in that statement.  I do not vouch
     for the co. or there product, just passing the info along as it's been
     a big subject before that has been oversimplified and misunderstood.
     If people want the manufacturer's name & # post a request.

     To use the charts directly yourself with an accurate voltmeter, simply
     set up your chart and axis values, plot the calibration values (the
     more the merrier if you use a best fit linear model), draw your line.
     Note, if you don't have the 0% O2 reading for the cell, your line can
     not be drawn unless you use two calibration gases to establish a line.
     Measure the voltage out of your cell for your subject mix, go up the y
     axis to that value and then go out to the right parallel to the x axis
     until you cross your line.  At that point, you drop straight down to
     the x axis for your % O2.    At least this was how it was explained to
     me...don't use this for your diving purposes, you might kill yourself
     and your family will sue me.  To know if you have an accurate meter,
     go to a good electronics place and get it tested.

     What, no algebra or math skills?, then don't dive gas.

     What can you do to the miniox to make it read more accurate?  Well
     you simply can't change it's modeling method (hard wired), but you
     can do a few things to help it out.  First, follow all the procedures
     you're supposed to for measuring mix. Use your miniox for calibration
     and target mix in the high O2 percentages.  The intercept plays a
     decreasing role in the differences between the two models as the O2
     calibration and target mix values get higher.  Most importantly,
     calibrate as close to the unknown gas you will be analyzing as you
     can.  For instance, if you have 80% targeted for your final mix, then
     get a bottle of 80% (near as you can) certified from a gas supply co.
     and use it for calibration.  Do the same for other common O2
     percentages.  This closer-to-target calibration gas will improve all
     analyzers performances if they repeat the same readings for the same
     gas and work reasonably well to begin with.

     Got all that?  Let me know politely if something doesn't check here.

     David Drake             EDS/SATURN Infrastructure 8-320-4190 on GMnet
     Spring Hill, TN  USA    Internet: saturn.ddrake05@gm*.co*


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