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From: J Shepherd <jms@fe*.ed*.ac*.uk*>
Subject: Re: That long hose thang...
To: techdiver@terra.net
Date: Sat, 13 Jan 96 11:30:50 GMT
> 
> > Yes, I would Knowingly dive with someone who would not give me the
> > regulator out of there mouth!
> 
> Then you are gambling with your own life.
> 
> > You guys "only" want a regulator if it is coming from your buddies mouth.
> > ME! HELL, I don't care where the regulator came from just so long as it
works.
> 
> Now you are a contradicting yourself. You say that as an OOA diver,
> you expect to be handed a regulator that works. But as a donor diver,
> you are willing to give away a reg that is *not* known to be working.
> You can't have it both ways.
> 
	Yes you can; standard ethology. This kind of selfish dichotomy
is so common as to avoid comment. As a receiver I want a functional reg
asap as a donor I want to give him anything except the one in my mouth.
What's confusing about that. If he comes to me and asks, then the
situation is not an emergency, and I can *decide* what to do, but as a
flash response (in the absence of any other training) I'll whip my spare
to him, whilst he will grab for the nearest reg. I don't believe that
it'll be the one in your mouth in *many* situations; a lot of the time
he won't even see that.


> The logic is so simple and irrefutable that I don't understand how
> people can continue to argue with it - THE ONLY WAY TO DONATE A REG
> THAT IS KNOWN TO BE WORKING IS TO DONATE THE ONE YOU ARE BREATHING.
> If anybody can refute that, then I'll see Sallot's 104s and raise him
> a set of 95s :-).
> 
	So you sit there and think about it. You've been very lucky in
your emergencies, and had some superb buddies, or maybe you're diving on
rule 1a (only dive with superhumans!) I'd love to be able to plan my
emergencies like that.

> > It can come from around his neck that will be just fine, or anywhere
> > for that matter.
> 
> No, it can't come from "anywhere" - it can only come from the
> donating diver's mouth.
> 
	Speak for yourself.

> > a diver see your in need of air,  he swims over to give you his
> > backup reg. from around his neck and you say "no thanks ...
> 
> This will never happen if you follow Rule #1 (how scary - I'm
> beginning to sound like George :-).
> 
	Some of us don't get a choice in that - we'd never get to go
diving!

	In my only OOA (reg failed shut) I was being very calm. I got
his octopus so as keep the situation simple. If I wasn't being calm, I'd
have still gone for his octopus *because it was all I could see*. It has
a natty yellow hose cover and was nearer to me. 

	I'd love to have seen his face if I'd tried to find his main
reg.
	Long hose or short, it sounds like you guys have emergencies
like we have ballet.

	Jason



> -JimG
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