Rod, the manifolds don't fail catostrophicly, they usually just leak at the interface, which is not even a reason to call the dive. The normal failure is to loose a reg, and then you just shut it off, like the independent. If you loose a knob by hitting something, and then the reg, that is when you would shut the isolator. You are worrying about things that don't happen. We make our bets on the surface: option number one "don't dive". With a namifold, you only have four hoses : pressure guage, inflator, backup reg, and long hose reg. You can access all of your gas from either reg, and you share the long hose, which you are breathing, if need be. I am into the cleanest, simplest rig possible. I carry no buddy bottles or any other bullshit. For me a solo dive and a team dive are done the same way, but I may carry a couple of extra backup lights in my pocket for a cave dive. I am not sure what the points of the arguments are, as I have not been following. Like I told you and Jason a long time ago: in the U.S. only the biggest weenies or strokes dive independents, and they do it because they are scared to dive or because they have some convoluted logic about putting different gasses in the tanks. It is easy in this country to get out the list of divers who do it each way, and the list of caves to see who has the end of the line: the weenies and strokes have nothing, as you would expect. This is why I hate to argue with the Aussies or the Brits, as these people who actually are good divers and are tougher than nails are discredited when compared to the pussies and morons in this country who dive independents. Keep in mind for you weenies out there that "British" rules are "my air is my air". There is no attempt to rig dependency into the gear as we do. Also keep in mind that they do not moonshoot the caves like we do, which requires an orchestrated series of contingencies that must be rehearsed and perfected as a team. We do use the sidemount config where necessary, and that is just the equivalent of carrying stage bottles with no back gas, and works just fine. We use the single tank config when necessary, and we use the no-mount or "pong" bottle (single tank pushed ahead of the diver) when necessary to get the job done, but obviously we don't go too far with this, and we leave that to Steve "Hammerhead" Irving to manage or Pat "Little Tanks" Watson. I do it in the Bahamas, but that is to save flying the doubles over, and the water is 81 degress in the caves, so a real simple rig is all one needs. Also the caves are generally so short that not much gas is required. I really have no stake in other people's gear config, unless they want to dive with us, in which case they must do it our way. Anyone who dives with me already does it the way I do or they would not be able to do the dive in the first place, and I would not waste my time testing this theory any more: when yuo dreive 500 miles to do a cave dive, you don't have time to listen to excuses. With me it's always "go at throttle up". - G
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