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The money stolen by Broome's kid was an example of how you guys run things.
You left checking accounts open through changes in administrations and did
not account for the checks. You guys do everything in this fashion simply
because you do not know any better, and with your attitudes of resentment
towards anything that is not part of the entrenched "club", it is unlikely
that you will ever get the kind of highly knowledgeable and skilled people
that Jarrod and I have running our organizations.
Mike, let's be honest here for once. The old school in cave diving has hated
the WKPP since day one, since Parker, since Gavin and now more so with me
because there is more of me. The WKPP was 4 people when I took over. Now it
is huge and worldwide and GUE membership has exploded. During that time you
guys have withered. The former is my and Jarrod's hard work, the latter is
your lack thereof.
We ( WKPP members ) tried to get involved into CDS and NACD, putting several
people on the BOD's and the committees and such, and all we ran into was the
same entrenched resistance to anything that makes any sense. Jarrod was even
Training Director of the NACD. I sat on those committees and in those
meetings and was appalled at the atrocities in training.
We realized that the NACD and the CDS can not be changed since they are
instructor based organizations where those instructors depend on that
teaching revenue to make a living. There are also serious philosophical
differences between the mindset of an organization like the WKPP, and the
old school of the NACD and CDS. For instance, we see fitness and lifestyle
as important overall, you just told me in your post that booze is acceptable
socially. I am sure you genuinely believe that.
Anyway, Mike, we long ago decided to concentrate on our own organizations,
WKPP and GUE. These two organizations are not subject to compromise of any
kind.
Let me put it to you very simply : we are going to go our way to pursue our
goals. We are not going to have anything to do with the CDS or NACD. We do
not expect interference with either of our organizations, not that you
actually have the power to do anything but slander us, and that is being
handled by Alton Hall should you make that mistake.
Our and my personal opinions about what goes on in cave diving and training
will continue to be voiced by us, and there is nothing you can do about that
other than change the problem, which you will not do.
Everyone who has the facts can see that GUE and WKPP are what you are not
and will not ever be, and they can see that we are the future of the game
and the only real hope that it does not become an anachronism ( like
"social" booze is ). You guys are pretty well in the past already. We are
larger in membership than both of your organizations combined, and by this
time next year will be larger than all combined other than in the category
of number of instructors , where we will never be a fraction of your size
no pun intended ).
You guys piss me off in that you have caused my friends and predecessors
nothing but grief ( but helped me by forcing me to set up the WKPP and its
unbelievable access to everything in such a fashion that nobody can
interrupt us ), but keep in mind that with me you have somebody who loves to
fight , is very good at it, and will always do whatever it takes to win.
One would think that this message had gotten across by now. You just lost
again, only "officially" this time. You accomplished nothing but to prove
me right one more time .
And Mike, please, stop telling me, "sheep lie".
-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Poucher [mailto:mpoucher@at*.ne*]
Sent: Friday, November 03, 2000 8:02 PM
To: Trey; Cavers
Subject: Re: CDS BOD Actions
The money stolen by Broome's kid was a mistake by the bank. He was never
authorized to sign for the CDS, so we were refunded ALL of the money taken.
Beth Somers chose to retire as editor of UWS after 4years and 20 issues.
I think she did an excellent job at the most diffficult task in the CDS.
Her hard work and dedication is appreciated by us all. As far as
censorship, I hear accusations, but no facts.
The Booze issue: A motion was made to ban alcohol at ALL NSS-CDS events,
it didn't pass. The socials are meant to be just that: a social event and
alcohol is an accepted addition to most social events. If someone is
planning a dive, I would expect that they would be personnally responsible
and not drink. We are all taught that diving and alcohol don't mix, just as
cars and alcohol don't mix. With that in mind, we did pass a motion not to
have alcohol at events that involve diving.
Michael Poucher
NSS-CDS
Leadership Director
----- Original Message -----
From: Trey
To: Michael Poucher ; Cavers
Sent: Friday, November 03, 2000 2:27 PM
Subject: RE: CDS BOD Actions
Mike, perhaps you can tell us all in what meetings you discussed the
booze issue, the attempt at interfering with the WKPP, that drooling goober
Jone's fake post to cavers calling me "gay" , the issue of heart attack
victims teaching cave under CDS, and the censorship of the UWS editor for
printing an article written by me. Also, how did you do getting back the
money stolen by Broom's kid? I never heard any more about that one.
You guys are a real asset - to nobody.
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<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff face=3DArial size=3D4><SPAN=20
class=3D870521911-04112000><STRONG>The money stolen by Broome's kid was =
an example=20
of how you guys run things. You left checking accounts open through =
changes in=20
administrations and did not account for the checks. You guys do =
everything in=20
this fashion simply because you do not know any better, and with your =
attitudes=20
of resentment towards anything that is not part of the entrenched =
"club", it is=20
unlikely that you will ever get the kind of highly knowledgeable and =
skilled=20
people that Jarrod and I have running our=20
organizations.</STRONG></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff face=3DArial size=3D4><SPAN=20
class=3D870521911-04112000><STRONG>Mike, let's be honest here for once. =
The old=20
school in cave diving has hated the WKPP since day one, since Parker, =
since=20
Gavin and now more so with me because there is more of me. The WKPP was =
4 people=20
when I took over. Now it is huge and worldwide and GUE membership has =
exploded.=20
During that time you guys have withered. The former is my and Jarrod's =
hard=20
work, the latter is your lack thereof.</STRONG></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff face=3DArial size=3D4><SPAN=20
class=3D870521911-04112000><STRONG></STRONG></SPAN></FONT> <
/DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff face=3DArial size=3D4><SPAN=20
class=3D870521911-04112000><STRONG>We ( WKPP members ) tried to get =
involved into=20
CDS and NACD, putting several people on the BOD's and the committees and =
such,=20
and all we ran into was the same entrenched resistance to anything =
that=20
makes any sense. Jarrod was even Training Director of the NACD. I sat on =
those=20
committees and in those meetings and was appalled at the atrocities in=20
training.</STRONG></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff face=3DArial size=3D4><SPAN=20
class=3D870521911-04112000></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff face=3DArial size=3D4><SPAN=20
class=3D870521911-04112000><STRONG>We realized that the NACD and the =
CDS can=20
not be changed since they are instructor based organizations =
where those=20
instructors depend on that teaching revenue to make a living. There are =
also=20
serious philosophical differences between the mindset of an organization =
like=20
the WKPP, and the old school of the NACD and=20
CDS.</STRONG> <STRONG>For instance, we see fitness and lifestyle as =
important overall, you just told me in your post that booze=20
is acceptable socially. I am sure you genuinely believe=20
that.</STRONG></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff face=3DArial size=3D4><SPAN=20
class=3D870521911-04112000><STRONG>Anyway, Mike, we long ago decided to=20
concentrate on our own organizations, WKPP and GUE. These two =
organizations are=20
not subject to compromise of any kind. </STRONG></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff face=3DArial size=3D4><SPAN=20
class=3D870521911-04112000></SPAN></FONT><FONT color=3D#0000ff =
face=3DArial=20
size=3D4><SPAN class=3D870521911-04112000></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff face=3DArial size=3D4><SPAN=20
class=3D870521911-04112000><STRONG>Let me put it to you very simply : we =
are going=20
to go our way to pursue our goals. We are not going to have anything to =
do with=20
the CDS or NACD. We do not expect interference with either of our =
organizations,=20
not that you actually have the power to do anything but slander us, and =
that is=20
being handled by Alton Hall should you make that=20
mistake.</STRONG></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff face=3DArial size=3D4><SPAN=20
class=3D870521911-04112000></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff face=3DArial size=3D4><SPAN=20
class=3D870521911-04112000><STRONG>Our and my personal opinions about =
what goes on=20
in cave diving and training will continue to be voiced by us, and there =
is=20
nothing you can do about that other than change the problem, which you =
will not=20
do. </STRONG></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff face=3DArial size=3D4><SPAN=20
class=3D870521911-04112000></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff face=3DArial size=3D4><SPAN=20
class=3D870521911-04112000><STRONG>Everyone who has the facts can see =
that GUE and=20
WKPP are what you are not and will not ever be, and they can see that we =
are the=20
future of the game and the only real hope that it does not become an =
anachronism=20
( like "social" booze is ). You guys are pretty well in the past =
already. We are=20
larger in membership than both of your organizations combined, and by =
this time=20
next year will be larger than all combined other than in the category of =
number=20
of instructors , where we will never be a fraction of your size ( no pun =
intended ).</STRONG></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff face=3DArial size=3D4><SPAN=20
class=3D870521911-04112000></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff face=3DArial size=3D4><SPAN=20
class=3D870521911-04112000><STRONG>You guys piss me off in that you have =
caused my=20
friends and predecessors nothing but grief ( but helped me by forcing me =
to set=20
up the WKPP and its unbelievable access to everything in such a fashion =
that=20
nobody can interrupt us ), but keep in mind that with me you have =
somebody who=20
loves to fight , is very good at it, and will always do whatever =
it takes=20
to win. One would think that this message had gotten across by now. You =
just=20
lost again, only "officially" this time. You accomplished nothing =
but to=20
prove me right one more time .</STRONG></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff face=3DArial size=3D4><SPAN=20
class=3D870521911-04112000></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff face=3DArial size=3D4><SPAN=20
class=3D870521911-04112000><STRONG>And Mike, please, stop telling me, =
"sheep=20
lie". </STRONG></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff face=3DArial size=3D4><SPAN=20
class=3D870521911-04112000></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff face=3DArial size=3D4><SPAN=20
class=3D870521911-04112000></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE style=3D"MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
<DIV align=3Dleft class=3DOutlookMessageHeader dir=3Dltr><FONT =
face=3DTahoma=20
size=3D2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Michael Poucher =
[<A=20
=
href=3D"mailto:mpoucher@at*.ne*">mailto:mpoucher@atlantic.net</A>]<B=
R><B>Sent:</B>=20
Friday, November 03, 2000 8:02 PM<BR><B>To:</B> Trey;=20
Cavers<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: CDS BOD
Actions<BR><BR></DIV></FONT>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>The money stolen by Broome's kid was a mistake by =
the=20
bank. He was never authorized to sign for the CDS, so we were =
refunded=20
ALL of the money taken. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>Beth Somers chose to retire as editor of UWS after =
4years=20
and 20 issues. I think she did an excellent job at the most =
diffficult=20
task in the CDS. Her hard work and dedication is appreciated by =
us=20
all. As far as censorship, I hear accusations, but no=20
facts.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>The Booze issue: A motion was made to ban =
alcohol at=20
ALL NSS-CDS events, it didn't pass. The socials are meant =
to be=20
just that: a social event and alcohol is an accepted addition to most =
social=20
events. If someone is planning a dive, I would expect that they =
would be=20
personnally responsible and not drink. We are all taught that =
diving and=20
alcohol don't mix, just as cars and alcohol don't mix. With that =
in=20
mind, we did pass a motion not to have alcohol at events that involve=20
diving.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>Michael Poucher</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>NSS-CDS</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>Leadership Director</FONT></DIV>
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style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV=20
style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =
black"><B>From:</B>=20
<A href=3D"mailto:trey@ne*.co*" title=3Dtrey@ne*.co*>Trey</A> =
</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A=20
href=3D"mailto:mpoucher@at*.ne*" =
title=3Dmpoucher@at*.ne*>Michael=20
Poucher</A> ; <A href=3D"mailto:cavers@cavers.com"=20
title=3Dcavers@cavers.com>Cavers</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, November 03, =
2000 2:27=20
PM</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> RE: CDS BOD =
Actions</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff face=3DArial size=3D4><SPAN=20
class=3D460100719-03112000><STRONG>Mike, perhaps you can tell us all =
in what=20
meetings you discussed the booze issue, the attempt at interfering =
with the=20
WKPP, that drooling goober Jone's fake post to cavers calling me =
"gay" , the=20
issue of heart attack victims teaching cave under CDS, and the =
censorship of the UWS editor for printing an article written by me. =
Also,=20
how did you do getting back the money stolen by Broom's kid? I never =
heard=20
any more about that one.</STRONG></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff face=3DArial size=3D4><SPAN=20
class=3D460100719-03112000></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff face=3DArial size=3D4><SPAN=20
class=3D460100719-03112000><STRONG>You guys are a real asset - to=20
=
nobody.</STRONG></SPAN></FONT></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE>
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