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What have we done the last two Board meetings....Wayne Marshall, he left =
the Board back in 1997, but he has paid back about $5000 of the money he =
stole and we were able to use that money, plus some other funds, to help =
pay down the Cow Springs mortgage by $10,000. Hopefully he will =
continue to repay the money he embezzled from us.
We talked quite a bit about Cow Springs and the erosion problems there, =
as well as the problems brought on by the closure of nearby Running =
Springs. We authorized up to $3,000 to make improvements on the =
property to allow for a designated parking area, stop the erosion into =
the spring, and to begin gating the property.=20
We are helping to sponsor the Yucatan 2000 Expedition that will explore =
the caves around Merida, Mexico. This project is also working with =
local officials to better understand the hydrogeology of the area and to =
educate the residents on protection of their groundwater.
We are looking into another project that will explore a lava system in =
Oregon.
We had updates on meetings attended with DEP on issues concerning the =
users of Florida Parks. One of their big concerns is the study by all =
the Water Management Districts on Minimum Flows for the springs and =
rivers in Florida. One example they showed had the minimum flow set at =
10% below the average flow for the last ten years. Their data also =
showed the average flow has been steadily declining for the last 50 =
years and they attribute that directly to development tapping into =
groundwater. This is an issue all cave divers should be concerned =
about.=20
We talked about helping with improvements to Alachua Sink to control =
erosion and make access safer.
We approved the Training Committee request to distribute our Standards =
and Procedures on CD, and saved the Section $2,000 in printing costs.=20
These are just some of the items we worked on. Our minutes are =
published in UWS for anyone to read. This Board of Directors is =
committed to working for cave diving and our membership.
Michael Poucher
NSS-CDS
Leadership Director
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Trey=20
To: Michael Poucher ; Cavers=20
Sent: Friday, November 03, 2000 6:14 AM
Subject: RE: CDS Reply
Mike, the minutes of the last two CDS BOD meetings will show just how =
lame you are as an organization. The record shows how little you have =
done for cave diving. The minutes will show that one big issue with you =
"people" is what booze to serve at CDS socials. Real impressive for your =
"good reputation".=20
=20
Wayne Marshall spent full time attacking me and the WKPP, he went to =
the NSS about us, and then he got caught stealing $25,000 from the till. =
I will not go into what he was found to be doing with the money, but he =
joins a long list of reputed scum of all flavors in the "community" =
that we will not tolerate in the WKPP. I love it when my biggest enemies =
are always the lowest insects.
=20
Your current Head Goober is one Steve Omeroid who censored Beth Somers =
and then fired her as editor for printing an article in the UWS that was =
written by me. That makes three UWS editors who have been fired for =
printing articles written by me. This article was about the World Record =
cave dive - I guess that is not what you want in UWS - again - real =
stupid on your part, and very telling about the organization.
=20
WKPP members did get involved with the CDS and NACD for a brief time =
there, but what we found were a cover for cave diving "instructors" of =
the lowest order, a bunch of trailer trash fast slobs and congenitally =
stupid red necks who are trying to eek out a living prostituting our =
sport under cover of the NSS/CDS.
=20
NO THANKS, MIKE - the WKPP and GUE will go their own way, and will =
take over , and are in fact now far larger than the CDS, and far more =
productive. You all need to take up golf and get out of our game. We are =
totally and permanently done with the CDS.
=20
We are where the action is, and don't forget it.
-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Poucher [mailto:mpoucher@at*.ne*]
Sent: Thursday, November 02, 2000 9:20 PM
To: Cavers
Subject: CDS Reply
As Mr. George Irvine points out, the time the CDS Board spent =
discussing the WKPP is indeed wasted time. We should be spending our =
time talking about making the sport and our organization better. We =
should be spending our time giving CDS members a better value for their =
dues. We should be talking about how to educate the public on why the =
once crystal clear Wakulla Springs is green the majority of the time =
from nitrate pollution. We should be talking why the Falmouth-Cathedral =
System is in the same condition. We SHOULD be working together to =
address some of these issues together, as a united front, rather than =
bickering over petty differences and events that are way past. If we =
don't, it isn't going to matter much longer, because in 20 years our =
springs will be cesspools from pollution and nitrate loading and barely =
flowing because development and industry is sucking up the groundwater =
and huge pipelines will be draining our rivers to carry water to South =
Florida.
The CDS Board is considering a request that the NSS review its =
endorsement of the WKPP project status because we are tired of the =
Director of the WKPP continually attacking our name and reputation. We =
have no problem with the WKPP itself. It is indeed a worthwhile and =
successful project. We would like to work with the WKPP to further our =
mutual goals, but this is impossible with the constant attacks.=20
Wayne Marshall is gone. We have put in procedures to prevent a =
repeat of that situation. Checks have to be signed by two Board Members, =
the Treasurer and Chairman, and must be written by the Administrative =
Manager. We are now in the best financial shape we have been in years =
and we have the resources to begin providing real benefits to cave =
diving and our membership. We have gone beyond Wayne Marshall and George =
needs to get over it as well.
Steve Ormeroid did indeed offer to refinance Cow Springs. Our =
current mortgage is at 10.25% interest and a balloon payment of $13,000 =
is due in February 2002. Steve offered to refinance now at 5.9% or =
whatever the minimum IRS-imputed interest rate is at the time of =
closing. Because Steve is a Board Member, there is a conflict of =
interest, but Counsel advised that the conflict was waivable by the =
Board. However, after much discussion and soul-searching, the Board =
determined that the conflict of interest was too great and voted not to =
accept the proposal. It's a dead issue now.
Michael Poucher
NSS-CDS
Leadership Director
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<DIV><FONT size=3D2>What have we done the last two Board =
meetings....Wayne=20
Marshall, he left the Board back in 1997, but he has paid back about =
$5000 of=20
the money he stole and we were able to use that money, plus some other =
funds, to=20
help pay down the Cow Springs mortgage by $10,000. Hopefully =
he will=20
continue to repay the money he embezzled from us.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>We talked quite a bit about Cow Springs and the =
erosion=20
problems there, as well as the problems brought on by the closure of =
nearby=20
Running Springs. We authorized up to $3,000 to make improvements =
on the=20
property to allow for a designated parking area, stop the erosion into =
the=20
spring, and to begin gating the property. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>We are helping to sponsor the Yucatan 2000 =
Expedition that=20
will explore the caves around Merida, Mexico. This project is also =
working=20
with local officials to better understand the hydrogeology of the area =
and to=20
educate the residents on protection of their groundwater.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>We are looking into another project that will =
explore a lava=20
system in Oregon.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>We had updates on meetings attended with DEP on =
issues=20
concerning the users of Florida Parks. One of their big concerns =
is the=20
study by all the Water Management Districts on Minimum Flows for the =
springs and=20
rivers in Florida. One example they showed had the minimum flow =
set at 10%=20
below the average flow for the last ten years. Their data also =
showed the=20
average flow has been steadily declining for the last 50 years and they=20
attribute that directly to development tapping into groundwater. =
This is=20
an issue all cave divers should be concerned about. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>We talked about helping with improvements to Alachua =
Sink to=20
control erosion and make access safer.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>We approved the Training Committee request to =
distribute our=20
Standards and Procedures on CD, and saved the Section $2,000 in printing =
costs. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>These are just some of the items we worked on. =
Our=20
minutes are published in UWS for anyone to read. This Board of =
Directors=20
is committed to working for cave diving and our membership.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>Michael Poucher</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>NSS-CDS</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>Leadership Director</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
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<DIV=20
style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =
black"><B>From:</B>=20
<A href=3D"mailto:trey@ne*.co*" title=3Dtrey@ne*.co*>Trey</A> =
</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A=20
href=3D"mailto:mpoucher@at*.ne*" =
title=3Dmpoucher@at*.ne*>Michael=20
Poucher</A> ; <A href=3D"mailto:cavers@cavers.com"=20
title=3Dcavers@cavers.com>Cavers</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, November 03,
2000 =
6:14=20
AM</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> RE: CDS
Reply</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff face=3DArial size=3D4><SPAN=20
class=3D360205810-03112000><STRONG>Mike, the minutes of the last two =
CDS BOD=20
meetings will show just how lame you are as an organization. The =
record shows=20
how little you have done for cave diving. The minutes will show that =
one big=20
issue with you "people" is what booze to serve at CDS socials. Real =
impressive=20
for your "good reputation". </STRONG></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff face=3DArial size=3D4><SPAN=20
class=3D360205810-03112000></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff face=3DArial size=3D4><SPAN=20
class=3D360205810-03112000><STRONG>Wayne Marshall spent full time =
attacking me=20
and the WKPP, he went to the NSS about us, and then he got caught =
stealing=20
$25,000 from the till. I will not go into what he was found to be =
doing with=20
the money, but he joins a long list of reputed scum of all =
flavors in=20
the "community" that we will not tolerate in the WKPP. I love it when =
my=20
biggest enemies are always the lowest =
insects.</STRONG></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff face=3DArial size=3D4><SPAN=20
class=3D360205810-03112000></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff face=3DArial size=3D4><SPAN=20
class=3D360205810-03112000><STRONG>Your current Head Goober is one =
Steve Omeroid=20
who censored Beth Somers and then fired her as editor for printing an =
article=20
in the UWS that was written by me. That makes three UWS editors who =
have been=20
fired for printing articles written by me. This article was about the =
World=20
Record cave dive - I guess that is not what you want in UWS - again - =
real=20
stupid on your part, and very telling about the=20
organization.</STRONG></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff face=3DArial size=3D4><SPAN=20
class=3D360205810-03112000></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff face=3DArial size=3D4><SPAN=20
class=3D360205810-03112000><STRONG>WKPP members did get involved with =
the CDS=20
and NACD for a brief time there, but what we found were a cover for =
cave=20
diving "instructors" of the lowest order, a bunch of trailer trash =
fast slobs=20
and congenitally stupid red necks who are trying to eek out a living=20
prostituting our sport under cover of the=20
NSS/CDS.</STRONG></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff face=3DArial size=3D4><SPAN=20
class=3D360205810-03112000></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff face=3DArial size=3D4><SPAN=20
class=3D360205810-03112000><STRONG>NO THANKS, MIKE - the WKPP =
and GUE will=20
go their own way, and will take over , and are in fact now far larger =
than the=20
CDS, and far more productive. You all need to take up golf and get out =
of our=20
game. We are totally and permanently done with the=20
CDS.</STRONG></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff face=3DArial size=3D4><SPAN=20
class=3D360205810-03112000></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff face=3DArial size=3D4><SPAN=20
class=3D360205810-03112000><STRONG>We are where the action is, and =
don't forget=20
it.</STRONG></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV align=3Dleft class=3DOutlookMessageHeader dir=3Dltr><FONT =
face=3DTahoma=20
size=3D2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Michael
Poucher=20
[mailto:mpoucher@at*.ne*]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, November =
02, 2000=20
9:20 PM<BR><B>To:</B> Cavers<BR><B>Subject:</B> CDS=20
Reply<BR><BR></DIV></FONT>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>
<P>As Mr. George Irvine points out, the time the CDS Board spent =
discussing=20
the WKPP is indeed wasted time. We should be spending our time =
talking about=20
making the sport and our organization better. We should be spending =
our time=20
giving CDS members a better value for their dues. We should be =
talking about=20
how to educate the public on why the once crystal clear Wakulla =
Springs is=20
green the majority of the time from nitrate pollution. We should be =
talking=20
why the Falmouth-Cathedral System is in the same condition. We =
SHOULD be=20
working together to address some of these issues together, as a =
united=20
front, rather than bickering over petty differences and events that =
are way=20
past. If we don't, it isn't going to matter much longer, because in =
20 years=20
our springs will be cesspools from pollution and nitrate loading and =
barely=20
flowing because development and industry is sucking up the =
groundwater and=20
huge pipelines will be draining our rivers to carry water to South=20
Florida.</P>
<P>The CDS Board is considering a request that the NSS review its=20
endorsement of the WKPP project status because we are tired of the =
Director=20
of the WKPP continually attacking our name and reputation. We have =
no=20
problem with the WKPP itself. It is indeed a worthwhile and =
successful=20
project. We would like to work with the WKPP to further our mutual =
goals,=20
but this is impossible with the constant attacks. </P>
<P>Wayne Marshall is gone. We have put in procedures to prevent a =
repeat of=20
that situation. Checks have to be signed by two Board Members, the =
Treasurer=20
and Chairman, and must be written by the Administrative Manager. We =
are now=20
in the best financial shape we have been in years and we have the =
resources=20
to begin providing real benefits to cave diving and our membership. =
We have=20
gone beyond Wayne Marshall and George needs to get over it as =
well.</P>
<P>Steve Ormeroid did indeed offer to refinance Cow Springs. Our =
current=20
mortgage is at 10.25% interest and a balloon payment of $13,000 is =
due in=20
February 2002. Steve offered to refinance now at 5.9% or whatever =
the=20
minimum IRS-imputed interest rate is at the time of closing. Because =
Steve=20
is a Board Member, there is a conflict of interest, but Counsel =
advised that=20
the conflict was waivable by the Board. However, after much =
discussion and=20
soul-searching, the Board determined that the conflict of interest =
was too=20
great and voted not to accept the proposal. It’s a dead issue =
now.</P></DIV>
<DIV>Michael Poucher</DIV>
<DIV>NSS-CDS</DIV>
<DIV>Leadership Director</DIV>
<DIV></FONT> </DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></
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